ORR in belgian press

[invivo (imported)]

There is the article which that Douglas wrote

http://www.humo.be/cps/rde/xchg/humo/hs ... o3489.html

Maybe someone has the whole article?

[Hairless (imported)]

Is it available in English? My Belgian is a little rusty.

[JesusA (imported)]

The article in in Dutch. I hope that one of our members from either Belgium or the Netherlands will do a translation for us. My Dutch is VERY rusty. I'll get started on it, but today is a busy one and I'm not likely to get very far until later.

[jemagirl (imported)]

This is just a quick machine translation using Sherlock, but will give you a better idea of what the article is saying.

–––Jema

Thanks to Fixet's fine work, I have now substituted a more fluid English translation than any machine can yet do. I know it's not perfect, but it should be understandable. Thank you, Fixet, for your help.

–––Jesus

Behind the the curtains of an

Antwerp SM-Clinic:

the operation succeeded; the surgeon died

Doctor Steve had his limits. He would never have performed an unwarranted amputation of someone’s leg

For example: someone's scrotum is cut open. He can examine his own testicles up close, and afterwards everything is stitched closed again. Behind the curtains at Doctor Steve’s SM-Clinic.

A small article appeared in the newspaper a few weeks ago: “The Antwerp Court has shut down an illegal hospital where sadomasochitic operations were carried out. For a small payment, patients could have their testicles amputated just for the thrill of it. They could have a circumcision. They could have rectal research done….” That should almost be a joke. Humo investigated it and can report that of the entire statement only one word is not correct: “should”. For seven years, the German doctor Karsten Schmidt, alias Doctor Steve has cut and sliced away in secret. No desire was too crazy for him. Even since his sudden death, ex-patients and employees still honor him: “There could never have been anything done against the will of the patient, because there was no general anaesthesia used.”

For those few, who even after following all of the seduction tips published in Humo and are still unsuccessful, maybe there is nothing else for them to do other than to become a eunuch. But where in God’s name can you do that? Check out www.eunuch.org sometime. You will discover that there is a whole community. Even though some weeks have passed since “Doctor Steve’s” death, they are still in mourning.

”I paid an advance of 500 euro for a castration on 16 June. Yesterday I got an e-mail which told me that the doctor had died last weekend. My appointment was called off and the advance cannot be paid back. Has anyone else had experiences with the O-R-R Clinic in Antwerp?”

“Yeah, it really sucks. They were perhaps the most reputable option in the world for voluntary, non-transsexual castration.

“I had just finished negotiation with Steve for an all new procedure -- for $1200 he was going to permanently nerve-block my penis and testicles! I was planning to go to Europe on end of summer anyway, and everything was looking good. I thought this new procedure would be very popular for those like me who hate the feelings of male genitals but wanted to keep the functionality (for urination and hormone production).”

(ddc)

You will find the complete Article in Humo 3499

Humo 3489 17/07/2007

http://www.humo.be/cps/rde/xchg/humo/hs ... o3489.html

[JesusA (imported)]

Here is the original article in Dutch. I made a first stab at translating it, but it has too many words that are not in my Dutch vocabulary. I'll need to do quite a bit of dictionary work on it.

Rather than posting an entirely separate translation from the rough computer translation that Jema has already posted, I'll go in an change out paragraphs from hers as I complete mine. I know I can do much better than Sherlock. I'm just not sure that I can do all of it correctly.

Is there any Dutch or Belgian member who is willing to handle this?

Achter de schermen van de Antwerpse sm-kliniek: operatie gelukt, chirurg overleden

'Dokter Steve had limieten. Hij zou nooit zomaar iemands been hebben geamputeerd'

'Een voorbeeldje: iemands scrotum wordt opengesneden, hij mag eventjes zijn eigen teelballen van dichtbij bekijken, en daarna wordt het boeltje weer dichtgenaaid.' Achter de schermen van dokter Steves sm-kliniek.

Klein berichtje in de krant, enkele weken geleden: 'Het Antwerpse gerecht heeft een illegaal ziekenhuis opgedoekt waar sadomasochistische operaties zouden zijn uitgevoerd. Patiënten konden er voor de kick tegen betaling testikels laten amputeren, een besnijdenis laten uitvoeren, een rectaal onderzoek laten doen...' Dat moést welhaast een grap of een kwakkel zijn. Humo ging op onderzoek uit en kan u melden dat van het hele berichtje slechts één woord niet klopte: zouden. Zeven jaar lang sneed en boorde de Duitse chirurg Karsten Schmidt, alias dokter Steve, er in het grootste geheim op los. Geen wens was hem te gek, maar ook na zijn schielijke overlijden blijven ex-patiënten en medewerkers hem eren: 'Er kan nooit iets zijn gebeurd tegen de wil van de patiënt in, want er werd geen verdoving gebruikt.'

Voor die enkelingen die er ook na Humo's verleidingstips van vorige week nog steeds niks van bakken, zit er misschien niks anders op: eunuch worden. Maar waar kan je daarvoor in godsnaam terecht? Probeer eunuch.org eens, en zie: er bestaat een hele community. Al dient gezegd dat die sinds enkele weken in diepe rouw is ondergedompeld.

'Ik betaalde een voorschot van 500 euro voor een castratie op 16 juni. Gisteren kreeg ik een e-mail waarin me werd gezegd dat de dokter afgelopen weekend is gestorven. Mijn afspraak werd afgezegd en het voorschot kan niet worden terugbetaald. Heeft iemand anders ervaringen met de O-R-R-kliniek in Antwerpen?'

'Het is erg. Zij vormden wereldwijd wellicht de meest gereputeerde optie voor vrijwillige, non-transseksuele castratie.'

'Ik had net de onderhandelingen afgerond voor een geheel nieuwe procedure: voor 1.200 dollar zou men de zenuwen naar mijn penis en testikels definitief blokkeren! Ik was toch al van plan om eind deze zomer naar Europa te gaan. Ik dacht dat deze procedure erg populair kon worden voor mensen zoals ik die het gevoel van mannelijke genitaliën haten, maar de elementaire functies (urineren en hormonale productie) intact willen houden. Elk overlijden is triest, maar dit is een grote klap voor de hele eunuchgemeenschap en voor mij persoonlijk in het bijzonder.'

(ddc)

U vindt het volledige artikel in Humo 3499

Humo 3489 17/07/2007

http://www.humo.be/cps/rde/xchg/humo/hs ... o3489.html

Accessed: July 19, 2007

[Fixet (imported)]

Ive tried to make a readable translation (i hope)

Neither my dutch or English is perfect so a mod can change typo's/spelling

Behind the screens of a Antwerp’s sm-clinic: surgery successfully, surgeon died.

‘

Doctor Steve had his limits. He would never ha

d amputate somebody’s leg’

‘An example: somebody scrotum is cut open, He can see his own testicals close by and after that everything is stitch close again’ behind the screen from doctor Steven sm-clinic.

A small article from a newspaper, few weeks ago: ‘the Antwerp’s court has shutdown a illegal clinic where sadomasochistic operations should be carried out. Patients could for the thrill against payment amputate there testicals, doing a circumcision, or doing a rectal research…’

That should almost be a joke. Humo investigated it and can report

you that of the whole statement only one word not correct: ‘should’. Seven years long the german doctor Karsten Schmidt, alias Steven cut and drilled in the biggest secret. No wish was to crazy for him, even after him passed away, ex-patients and employers still honour him: ‘There could never have done something

against the will of the patient, because there was no

anaesthesia used.’

For the few that even after the Humo seduction tips still nothing can make of it, maybe nothing else can be done then: become a eunuch. But where the hell can you do that? Try eunuch.org sometime, and see

there is a whole community. Even though some weeks

now they are poured in mourning.

‘I paid 500 euro advanced for

castration on 16 June. Yesterday I got an e

mail and it told me that last week doctor Steve had passed away. My appointment was canceled and the advanced I paid could not be paid back. Does somebody else have experience with O-R-R-Clinic in Antwerp?’

‘It is bad, they formed worldwide possible the only respectable option for voluntary, non-sexual castration.’

‘I just had the negotiations finished for a whole new procedure: for 1200 dollar they would permanent block the nerves to my penis and testicals! I already was planning to take a trip to Europe. I though this treatment could become very popular for people like me who hate the feeling for manhood gentile, but want to preserve the primary functions (urinate and hormone production). Every person who dies is sad, but this is a huge hit to the whole eunuch community and for me personally in partially.’

[Slammr (imported)]

I'm going to try my hand at this. I don't speak Dutch, so this isn't a translation: I'm just putting Fixet's excellent translation in my own words. I can't guarantee the accuracy of anything I've added. I’m writing it as if I were the one writing the story in the first place.

Behind the scene at an Antwerp sm-clinic: surgery successful; surgeon died.

Doctor Steve had limits. He would never amputate some-one's leg. He would cut off other parts, however. For example: behind the scene at O-R-R clinic:

Doctor Steve cuts open a man’s scrotum. He pulls out one of the man’s testicles, showing it to the man. A quick tying off of the cords, and he snips it off. Then he goes back for the second one. He shows it to the man, ties it off, snips it off, then stitches up the man’s scrotum. The man is as good as new; except that he no longer has testicles.

A small article from a

newspaper a few

weeks ago: “The Antwerp

court has shut

down an illegal clinic where sadomasochistic operations could be carried out. For payment, a patient could have his testicles cut off, be circumcised, or have other sexual modifications done. No medical necessity was required.”

The statement is almost a joke. For seven long years, Karsten Schmidt, aka Dr. Steve, cut and sliced in secret. No wish to be sexually mutilated was too crazy for him.

Still, now that he’s passed away, his ex-patients and ex-employees revere him.

“He only did what they wanted,” an ex-employee said. “He used a local anesthetic. His patients could have got up from the table at any time.”

“Why would anyone want to become a eunuch?” one might ask.

Check out eunuch.org for the answer to that question. You’ll find a whole community of eunuchs that – weeks later – still mourn Dr. Steve.

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pular for people like me, who hate the feeling of male genitals, but want to preserve their primary functions (urination and hormone production).

Every death is sad; but this is a huge hit to the whole eunuch community and to me in particular.’

[genderless (imported)]

I'm getting the impression that Belguim won't be allowing another clinic to take its place.

[Beau Geste (imported)]

Every time I see text in Dutch, I have the same thought: "People actually speak this language?" The Dutch themselves acknowledge that their language lacks the elegance of some others, particularly when compared to the two major languages most closely related to Dutch, English and German.

On the other hand, though, I can remember seeing on a website, that, altogether, something like forty million people speak Dutch, and it is the national language, not only of the Netherlands, but also of Belgium (Flemish is essentially the same as Dutch), Surinam, and the Netherlands Antilles. Afrikaans, spoken in South Africa and Namibia, is derived from Dutch, and there are still people in Indonesia who speak Dutch. It was the language of Rembrandt, Vermeer, Ruisdael, Leeuwenhoek, Van Gogh, and countless successful businessmen and academics. I've been told it is an easy language to learn, which is probably why several pidgins have been based mostly or partly on Dutch.

As to ORR, it seems to have provided a service for which there was a demand, and one of the basic principles of economics is, that where a demand exists, something will eventually develop which fills that demand. That's why there are prostitutes practically everywhere. I suspect that, sooner or later, somebody will find a jurisdiction somewhere in the world, where a business like ORR can operate legally.

[Monax (imported)]

Beau Geste :

I suspect that, sooner or later, somebody will find a jurisdiction somewhere in the world, where a business like ORR can operate legally.

My opinion:

In one "civilised" country it will not be possible to create completely legal and completely legally protected clinic. And even if, for example to place operational on what that a comfortable boat and to perform operations in neutral waters when the quantity of voluntary eunuchs will reach a certain critical weight, "sacred fathers" seriously undertake us again together with the secular power. Behind historical examples far to go it is not necessary.