This TRT Thing

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plix (imported) wrote: Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:30 pm I did look into insurance through school. It would cost me seven hundred something for the year. Not bad. And they can't deny me because it is a group plan. But they can and do exclude pre-existings for the 6 month period allowed by law. The policy starts on August 10, meaning I could get no coverage for visits, labs, meds, or anything else related to my T problems until February 10. The policy would be half over by then. Kind of worthless.

I could go to any lab. I just figured out using some prices that $1000 is probably going to be around what I pay at any lab for the 15 uncommon and expensive tests that are necessary for TRT.

That doctor's fee is not unreasonable for a first consultation. It's actually lower than I was expecting.

I would not want to go around to random doctors I know nothing about and risk giving them cash and discovering they cannot help me. I am only looking at well-known and respected TRT doctors who a good percentage of TRT patients go to.

I did read that information, and I don't see anything wrong with it. I just wonder what sort of difference it would really make. I have seen from many sources now that TRT is quite different from natural T, and that for some people it just does not work. After a year of playing with it using three different methods (patches, shots, gel) and many different dosing regimens one would begin to wonder if I am one of those people for whom it is just not going to work.

It might just be me, but 15 uncommon tests seem a little extreme. What are these tests and what are they for. I don't think that I get any uncommon tests. My lab work usually runs less than $400. Do you have some other condition we don't know about that causes so much concern. This balancing hormones isn't rocket science. It's not all that tough to get it right, unless you have some other condition that effects things. There are thousands of eunuchs on TRT that have been on it for a long time and it works for them. If you haven't, you might want to shop around, there are quite a few hormone therapy clinics in S.Calif. I was comparing the conciliation fee to what Dr. Alter charged which was $250. Some of those doctors in OC are a bit high I think. I had some surgery done in Irvine and just the surgery center bill was $12,000 for a 2 hr. surgery. That was 5 times the cost of the surgery center Dr. Alter uses in Beverly Hills.

You say that you have tried most of the different delivery systems of testosterone. According to my Doctor the best is the shots. How long did you give your shot regime a chance to work. I also still think that you haven't tried the right shot regime yet or for long enough to recover from the other things you've done. There is an implant that they can do also that lasts several months, but I don't know how that rates. Yes, there is a chance that TRT won't work for you, but that is fairly rare.
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Here are the tests for all male patients:

1. Complete Metabolic Panel

2. Lipid Panel

3. CBC w/ auto diff, platelets

4. FSH

5. LH

6. C-Reactive protein

7. Prolactin

8. PSA, diagnostic total

9. Testosterone, total/free/weakly bound

10. Estradiol extraction, adult male

11. Pregnenolone

12. ABO group & Rh type

13. DHEA sulfate

14. Homocysteine cardio

15. TSH, T4, T3 Free

Some of them would not seem to be of much use given my circumstances, in particular FSH, LH, and PSA. But those are the standard tests for all male patients. Even if I could talk him out of those three tests, it'd probably take off a couple hundred bucks at most, meaning the total cost would still be $800 per draw.

On the board that was mentioned earlier, there was only this one doctor in Southern California who specializes in TRT. I am sure there are others, but I would not know how to find them. Anyone I would consider going to would have to have a proven track record of experience and success with TRT and would have to be willing to work with me, not just tell me what to do without me being able to question it or give input. With the internet many patients are now at least as educated if not more educated than today's doctors on their conditions.

I have done the shots twice, once for 3 months at 50 mg/week, and the most recent time for 5 months at 100 mg/week with 200/week for a couple of weeks during that time.

I have considered the pellets, but the thing is finding a doctor who does them as it is a surgical procedure that must be performed in the doctor's office.
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I'm not a doctor but this list of labs is much much longer then any I have done. Yes, you should have PSAs when your on HRT but this once a year (6 months if your older or have factors that make it more important. I think what they are showing is ALL the labs for men and while thats fine you don't need all that to get on HRT correctly.

If your castrated several of these have no meaning.

Anyway as Hairless said Testosterone level problems can cause all the symptoms of depression. And he and I both had to have our levels juggled more then once to get onto a healthy level. You should have your Testosterone level checked 2 weeks after every dose change so your doctor can dial you up or down. Then once its "good" get a lab done 6 months later and they go yearly. Estrodiol should be included to see if your converting your T to E. (Are you overweight?)

If you have a stong female side your "male" sexuality maybe causing you distress? Seek a professional counceler at your school maybe? At least resolve how that impacts you and what you want to do long term. I agree that shifting between estrogen and testosteone and nothing is really bad idea. Healthwise at least!

I've known and communicated with a large number of men who are on HRT and it works! :D But you have to get your dose right. You have to watch out for high E2 :-| and you have to work at it to get yourself this way... I can vouch that it IS worth it! Life for me went from just stinking to 1000x better once I got on a healthy dose. Some of it is relaying your feelings to the MD some of it is the MD knowing what to do. Don't give up!
plix (imported) wrote: Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:02 am Here are the tests for all male patients:

1. Complete Metabolic Panel

2. Lipid Panel

3. CBC w/ auto diff, platelets

4. FSH

5. LH

6. C-Reactive protein

7. Prolactin

8. PSA, diagnostic total

9. Testosterone, total/free/weakly bound

10. Estradiol extraction, adult male

11. Pregnenolone

12. ABO group & Rh type

13. DHEA sulfate

14. Homocysteine cardio

15. TSH, T4, T3 Free

Some of them would not seem to be of much use given my circumstances, in particular FSH, LH, and PSA. But those are the standard tests for all male patients. Even if I could talk him out of those three tests, it'd probably take off a couple hundred bucks at most, meaning the total cost would still be $800 per draw.

On the board that was mentioned earlier, there was only this one doctor in Southern California who specializes in TRT. I am sure there are others, but I would not know how to find them. Anyone I would consider going to would have to have a proven track record of experience and success with TRT and would have to be willing to work with me, not just tell me what to do without me being able to question it or give input. With the internet many patients are now at least as educated if not more educated than today's doctors on their conditions.

I have done the shots twice, once for 3 months at 50 mg/week, and the most recent time for 5 months at 100 mg/week with 200/week for a couple of weeks during that time.

I have considered the pellets, but the thing is finding a doctor who does them as it is a surgical procedure that must be performed in the doctor's office.
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Plix,

Ask the guy if you also get lube and a kiss.... He's fucking you

Find another doctor quickly.

You do not need a specialist. You need an aware and informed GP. Nothing more. Educate him as needed as well. That is what I do with my doc. Works out fine
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Fire the doctor. All he's doing is money-grubbing and helping.
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Just discovered that I have been declined for the insurance due to the castration.

I basically made things worse for myself I think. Having been declined for health insurance, I now will be unable to ever get a private plan.
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plix (imported) wrote: Fri Jul 06, 2007 8:05 pm Just discovered that I have been declined for the insurance due to the castration.

I basically made things worse for myself I think. Having been declined for health insurance, I now will be unable to ever get a private plan.

Lie to them. Tell em it was an injury. Changes the whole face of the issue, and opens them up to repercussions from the state licensing folks. Never tell them "voluntary."
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Oh, I never told them it was voluntary. I know better than that :)

I didn't even say I was castrated. I listed it as "hypogonadism" and stated that I am taking testosterone. Had to be honest if I expected to get treatement for it :)
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I can believe it, Plix.

In trying to take out accident coverage, they checked my medical records and then tried to cancel my TRUCK insurance because I'm diabetic...and I neglected to tell them when I was DX'd...fortunately, my doctor lied to them and I know a good lawyer or 3...but what the hell? Cancel the car insurance policy?!
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Paolo wrote: Fri Jul 06, 2007 9:14 pm I can believe it, Plix.

In trying to take out accident coverage, they checked my medical records and then tried to cancel my TRUCK insurance because I'm diabetic...and I neglected to tell them when I was DX'd...fortunately, my doctor lied to them and I know a good lawyer or 3...but what the hell? Cancel the car insurance policy?!

Oh yeah, never tell em if you dont need to. I could lose my license over something like that, not just insurance.
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