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[Blaise (imported)]

Islamic extremism in Europe (and maybe even in the United States) when I read about honor killings. By the way, I very much like Christopher Hitchens's fine polemic God Is Not Great.

[Hairless (imported)]

Islamic extremism in Europe (and maybe even in the United States) when I read about honor killings. By the way, I very much like Christopher Hitchens's fine polemic God Is Not Great.

I have not read this poem so I cant comment on anything except the title. People that are not Christians are very quick to blame God for the thing's men do supposedly in God's name. I don't think God is pleased with what any of the extremist groups do regardless of what faith they profess to be. They are not doing these terrible thing's because God told them to. They are doing Satin's work and are too stupid to realize it. By causing all the destruction of life and property and saying it is God's will, they are doing exactly what Satin wants them to do to make God look bad and himself to look good. What is really sad is the stupid people that fall for it. "The only thing certain is the existence of a secret violence that makes everything uncertain." This quote talks about a secret violence. There is no secret about who is behind it, as you must surely know. You profess to be his advocate. As for me, I work for the Lord. I like being on the winning side.

[Blaise (imported)]

Religion is the source of great suffering in our world. I am a theist and a Protestant Christian, but I recognize problems with our zeal to impose our religious views on other people.

Religion is, indeed, the self-consciousness and self-esteem of man who has either not yet won through to himself, or has already lost himself again. But man is no abstract being squatting outside the world. Man is the world of man—state, society. This state and this society produce religion, which is an inverted consciousness of the world, because they are an inverted world. Religion is the general theory of this world, its encyclopedic compendium, its logic in popular form, its spiritual point d'honneur, its enthusiasm, its moral sanction, its solemn complement, and its universal basis of consolation and justification. It is the fantastic realization of the human essence since the human essence has not acquired any true reality. The struggle against religion is, therefore, indirectly the struggle against that world whose spiritual aroma is religion. Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. ]Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo.

From Wikipedia

[sapient (imported)]

As much as I am an atheist and humanist, I don't think one should blame a religion for anything a person does - even if it is in the name of that religion. Yes, religions - as have other kinds of ideologies, political and so on - have inspired crimes as well as good deeds.

But the responsibility for the action, be it a murder, an act of rape or any other atrocity, must always rest with the individual. That's the only way to establish some kind of human rights.

Religions can be interpreted many ways. Every religion has been, and will continue to be. There are multiple techniques of quoting, analysing and interpreting the sources - who are usually made of texts by lots of different writers, and therefore perspectives, morals and so forth. Many of the passages are metaphorical - sometimes even the same passage can be interpreted many ways, to support conflicting opinions or actions.

It is the persons putting forth an interpretation of islam that they claim support violence, oppression and discrimination that should be blamed.

Today it's islam - in history the priests blessing soldiers and advocating indescriminate violence have been christian, or some other faith. Blaming the religion is useless - the violence doesn't stop by that.

[A-1 (imported)]

As much as I am an atheist and humanist, I don't think one should blame a religion for anything a person does - even if it is in the name of that religion. Yes, religions - as have other kinds of ideologies, political and so on - have inspired crimes as well as good deeds.

But the responsibility for the action, be it a murder, an act of rape or any other atrocity, must always rest with the individual. That's the only way to establish some kind of human rights.

Religions can be interpreted many ways. Every religion has been, and will continue to be. There are multiple techniques of quoting, analysing and interpreting the sources - who are usually made of texts by lots of different writers, and therefore perspectives, morals and so forth. Many of the passages are metaphorical - sometimes even the same passage can be interpreted many ways, to support conflicting opinions or actions.

It is the persons putting forth an interpretation of islam that they claim support violence, oppression and discrimination that should be blamed.

Today it's islam - in history the priests blessing soldiers and advocating indescriminate violence have been christian, or some other faith. Blaming the religion is useless - the violence doesn't stop by that.

Karl Marx once said something to the effect that 'religion is the OPIATE of the masses'...

If one subscribes to this theory then one should surmise that that there are a lot of DRUG CRAZED murdering bastards using GOD as an excuse to do things that they do not want to be held accountable for.

However, everyone's version of what is GOD'S will is not compatable with one another.

Therefore, the only logical thing is to kill them ALL and let GOD sort them out later. So, let the missles fly.

And anyone you find on the floor with their ass in the air and their mouth kissing a rug be sure to kick in the BALLS hard enough so that they can never reproduce...

[MacTheWolf (imported)]

Marx had it all wrong.

Gin is the opiate of the masses...preferably Bombay Saphhire with crushed ice and tonic water. I know, I drank it before mass daily for years.

[Blaise (imported)]

Marx had it all wrong.

Gin is the opiate of the masses...preferably Bombay Saphhire with crushed ice and tonic water. I know, I drank it before mass daily for years.

Ah, such happy memories. I liked Beefeaters over ice.

[A-1 (imported)]

Ah yes!

If it were possible to go through life drunk and in love I would rather do that than do ANYTHING else...

Scotch and soda, mud in your eye. Baby, do I feel high, oh, me, oh, my. Do I feel high.

Dry martini, jigger of gin. Oh, what a spell you've got me in, oh, my. Do I feel high.

People won't believe me. They'll think that I'm just braggin'. But I could feel the way I do and still be on the wagon.

All I need is one of your smiles. Sunshine of your eyes, oh, me, oh, my. Do I feel high.

People won't believe me. They'll think that I'm just braggin'. But I could feel the way I do and still be on the wagon.

All I need is one of your smiles. Sunshine of your eyes, oh, me, oh, my. Do I feel higher than a kite can fly.

Give me lovin', baby. I feel high.

Catch it HERE! (http://www.rhapsody.com/thekingstontrio ... share.html)

[Riverwind (imported)]

In the beginning Man created God and saw that it was good. Somehow it got all turned around in the telling and has been messed up ever sense.

Religion, religion is a wonderful institution, people spend an enormous about of time and money on it, it gives them great comfort for doing so and makes the televangelist rich. So everybody's happy, whats wrong with that?

Here is one for you, in the name of religion, which one has killed more people because you did not believe as they did?

Love your brother,

River

[Kangan (imported)]

I am not against religion, per se. I am against those who use religion to justify bad behavior. In that category I place televangelists, Islamic extremists, and the like.