Low Testosterone "death risk"

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Here's another source of the study, with more details (emphasis added on the most interesting parts):

"Low Testosterone Levels Linked to Increased Mortality"

http://www.daylife.com/story/02Si9JE3KW ... 0022519029

By Jeffrey Perkel

HealthDay Reporter

TUESDAY, June 5 (HealthDay News) -- Men 50 and older with low levels of testosterone may be at higher risk of dying within 20 years than men with higher levels of the male hormone, a new study suggests.

But, the researchers stressed, more studies are need to examine the potential link, and there's nothing to indicate that testosterone supplements would reduce the risk of death.

For the study, Gail Laughlin, an assistant professor of family and preventative m
Paolo wrote: Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:44 am edicine at the University of California, San Diego,
and colleagues followed almost 800 men, aged 50 to 91, for 18 years as part of the "Rancho Bernardo Study," looking at the relationship between serum testosterone levels and mortality.

They found that men with low testosterone had a 33 percent higher risk of dying from any cause than men with either normal or elevated testosterone levels. This link stood up regardless of age, physical activity, or lifestyle -- including smoking and drinking. But the link grew weaker when adjusted for metabolic syndrome and inflammatory biomarkers such as interleukin-6 and C-reactive protein, Laughlin said.

Metabolic syndrome is a condition defined by a constellation of risk factors for cardiovascular disease, such as high blood pressure, high blood glucose, and a waist diameter greater than 40 inches in men.

The study authors concluded that the relationship between low testosterone levels and mortality "is explained in part by the metabolic syndrome, and is dependent on the association of low testosterone levels with elevated markers of inflammation."

The findings were to be presented Tuesday at the Endocrine Society's annual meeting, in Toronto.

Dr. Glenn Braunstein, chairman of medicine at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles, called the study "very interesting." But he noted that drawing conclusions from a single testosterone reading can be misleading , because the hormone's levels fluctuate throughout the day. "So taking a single testosterone level and extrapolating from that is not the be-all and end-all," he said.

Braunstein also noted that a number of factors , including disease, infection, and weight, can lower testosterone levels.

Dr. Anne Cappola, assistant professor of medicine and epidemiology at the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine, said it's possible that testosterone itself may not be the culprit in the new study but rather an indication of some other inflammatory condition.

"It is hard to know the chicken and the egg," Cappola said. "Does low testosterone cause inflammation or is inflammation leading to low testosterone? In this study, you can't necessarily tear that apart."

Laughlin stressed that as an epidemiological observation, her study did not uncover whether low testosterone levels actually cause increased risk of death or are simply a marker of some other disease process. So, no man should take the results to mean he should take testosterone supplements to reduce the risk of death.

"We cannot recommend that any man take testosterone based on these results," she said. "We need randomized, placebo-controlled trials to see if it is effective, and also if it is safe. Proposals for those studies are under way."

This study isn't the first to link low testosterone levels to mortality. Last year, researchers at the University of Washington, Seattle, and the Veterans Administration Puget Sound Health Care System found that low testosterone levels were associated with an 88 percent increased likelihood of death in men over 40 (PS: The veteran study mentioned here likewise collected a single or at most two t tests per patient during a five-year period; hardly sufficient to even remotely determine an accurate estimate of someone's t profile. E.).

According to Laughlin, the difference between the two studies is that the earlier research looked at younger men who were in poor to bad health -- they were seeking medical care. "Our study was a population of relatively healthy men living in a community, who were older on average, and when we excluded those with known cardiovascular disease or diabetes, we still saw the association between low testosterone levels and increased risk of mortality over the following 20 years," she said.
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oooooooooooomannnnnnnnnnnn was that a hit below the belt or what😄
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So basically what it comes down to is that we don't know one way or the other whether low T helps or hurts health, and neither side can really prove itself.

My personal opinion is that low T has both health risks and health benefits. Since T isn't really doing much else for me, the main reason I take it is because of some of the health concerns I have. Osteo and depression don't really concern me (the first has successful treatments and the second I experience anyway as a separate issue), but diabetes is one of my major concerns. There are too many studies showing a correlation between low T and diabetes for me to take any chances even though we can't know which causes which. Diabetes concerns me because although there are treatments, it still causes just about every other health problem in the book. And I don't think anyone is going to argue with the widely held belief that diabetes contributes to mortaility through the conditions it causes.

To find an answer to the risks and benefits of low T (or low sex hormones in general because E would likely prevent the same potential problems caused by low T), we would need to do a study that forcibly castrates one large group of men and uses another as a control group. Thankfully this is both unethical and illegal.

Looking back at history and seeing that a few castrated guys lived longer doesn't prove anything. Only controlled studies would, and those studies are not and hopefully never will be possible.
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plix (imported) wrote: Sat Jun 09, 2007 11:33 am Diabetes concerns me because although there are treatments, it still causes just about every other health problem in the book. And I don't think anyone is going to argue with the widely held belief that diabetes contributes to mortaility through the conditions it causes.

Yeah, it's a pain in the ass, not to mention a pain in the finger several times a day, too.:DKeep in mind my one T. check about 7-8 years was 65, and I've never had it checked since. Diabetes hit me just about 1 year ago.
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I noticed a reference in the article to a waist diameter of 40 inches or more. I don't believe anybody manufactures belts 10 feet, 4 2/3 inches long, so how would such a person keep his pants up ? 😄
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Bagoas (imported) wrote: Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:32 pm I noticed a reference in the article to a waist diameter of 40 inches or more. I don't believe anybody manufactures belts 10 feet, 4 2/3 inches long, so how would such a person keep his pants up ? 😄

Quite the difference in circumference vs. diameter, no?
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devi (imported) wrote: Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:52 pm Yes, I was adopted by a stray cat that wandered in and took posession of my home. But I guess it was too empty most of the time or something therefore considered abandoned. And since the place now belongs to my cat I now have no choice but to take care of her in order to be able to have a warm place to sleep at night. But as long as this cat allows me to come in during the evening I suppose I'm alright.

I can just see a cat coming in through an open door or window and then DEMANDING that the human inside feed it.

My sister once woke up and found a strange cat sleeping on the foot of her bed. (The house had a cat door and she had her own cat at the time.)
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Such is my luck. But she did promise to get me health insurance someday. Oh well.
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