s_76544 (imported) wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2007 7:54 pm
That site state: "8,000-4,500 y.a. - climates somewhat warmer and moister than today's"
So if it was warmer 8000- 4500 years ago how does that prove global warming?
HEY!
Temperatures go up, temperatures go down, I cannot control it, I have no thermostat...
...you see, the global warming is counteracting the next ice age...unless you subscribe to the Day After Tomorrow Movie plot... get the video and check it out. Sure beats the hell out of listening to Al Gore...
Yes, A-1. That is when deglaciation BEGAN. Until the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets are gone, the process will not be finished. However, judging by past performance, the temperature will continue to rise for a long time thereafter.
The warm period between 8000 and 4500 B.P. is called the Thermal Maximum. It represented faster and more extreme global warming than anything we've seen so far in this episode of warming. During the Thermal Maximum, Norway had a Mediterranean climate (which is why Scandinavian paleoclimatologists call the Thermal maximum the "Climatic Optimum.")
Note that the cause of the Thermal Maximum is unknown. Mankind was numerically inadequate and not engaged in activities which could have released significant amounts of "greenhouse" gases. Something else must have caused it. What it was we do not know.
Then, there was the Little Ice Age of 1300-1800 which doomed the Greenland colony because the sea froze over and ships couldn't reach it. The Thames River froze over in the winter which had not happened before since the British Isles were settled and has never happened since. We don't know what caused THAT, either.
There is nothing imaginable that humans could have done to cause either the Thermal Maximum or the Little Ice Age, but they both happened. Let's admit our ignorance and stop playing the blame game. We don't know who or what is to "blame".
Judging from the length of past Interglacial Ages, there is a long period of rising temperatures ahead, however it is caused and we'd damned well better be ready for it or we'll join the wooly mammoths in extinction. They couldn't cope with rising temperatures at the beginning of deglaciation. Can we ?
A-1 (imported) wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:37 pm
Temperatures go up, temperatures go down, I cannot control it, I have no thermostat...
...you see, the global warming is counteracting the next ice age...unless you subscribe to the Day After Tomorrow Movie plot... get the video and check it out. Sure beats the hell out of listening to Al Gore...
Have it. Watching paint dry is more interesting than listening to Al Gore.
Basically, it is a theory that the Earth was covered with Ice, all over, even at the equator...to a depth of several feet for many years...This theory is fascinating, but I think that during periods of continental drift, that ice ages come and go...
...still, nobody knows for sure, as Bagoas points out so eloquently...
...I hate the idea of private transportation via petrolieum fueled automobiles.
We should all drive electric vehicles and long distances should be travelled by train. With the exception of movies from Hollywood, no trains get hyjacked...besides that, they are much more romantic...
Politicians are lining up to exploit global warming. The political template is as old as civilization - define a threat, point to injuries supposedly inflicted, identify enemies who are causing the threat, become the voice of the people's fear and rage, seize extraordinary powers to protect the people from the threat, strike out at the enemies. Those with a mind for history will recognize this as the method used by Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Stalin, Mao, etc., to reach power. In each case, they claimed to be saving the nation from the dire threat of enemies. Nothing works for pols like a good enemy, real or made up.
Now, we're told, catastrophe looms because of wicked capitalists, their gluttonous customers, and their political allies. But never fear! Liberals are here! All we have to do is cede vast, unprecedented, control over our economy to the correct pols and their gang, and they'll crush the greedy capitalists, force former SUV drivers to jog miles to reach their Mini Coopers, and forbid dissent of any kind, especially in public. Perhaps we could revive the Alien and Sedition Acts, but only if Democrats hold Congress and the White House. And it would all be for everyone's good, and anyone stupid enough not to know it will have to be shut up.
P.S. In Al Gore's movie, he says the ice is melting in one area of Antarctica. He's right. He forgot to mention that the ice is increasing in the rest of Antarctica.
P.P.S. Already, the idea that human misbehavior is a chief cause of climate change is being said to be beyond the need for any further proof or discussion. In fact, calls for evidence or debate are being silenced. Al Gore refuses to appear in public with any scientist who disputes the idea that bad people make warming.
Well, folks. You voted 'em in, now you're in for it!
So what about the Planetary-and- Global experts that claimed for a moment that the proximity for a short while of this Black-or-Pink DWARF was causing the upheaval of heating and earthquakes etc.??
Yes "fear" is a "product" sold to keep us writhing in FEAR so that important matters are ignored on purpose. The list goes on and on and on. Child molestation is one nuisance topic and most often a"manmade" fear "product". The "drugwar" is another that went on for years and many young people suffered from it in our "jails".. Now the "invasion from the south" when inviting our friends south and north of our borders to become members of out United States of America would be the only solution. Let us make the "fear" product less acceptable and ask for the positive aspects first. Or not waste out time on "fearmogules"/N3RF
Flo, my understanding of the Alien and Sedition Acts is that they criminalized any public criticism of Congress or the President. Violators were imprisoned or publicly whipped or had their homes confiscated.
Is that what
Uncle Flo (imported) wrote: Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:12 am
the Patriot Act and the Homeland Security Authorization
Act do? My understanding has been that the Patriot Act allowed methods of surveillance and incarceration making things difficult for enemy aliens and terrorists. The Patriot Act was renewed last year with broad support among Democrats. The ACLU has extensively reviewed cases related to the Patriot Act and found no Constitutional violations.
Of course, it's a fixed and politically serviceable belief of the Left that the Patriot Act leaves every citizen vulnerable to arbitrary arrest and imprisonment. Well ... looking at some of the people on the Left, and their sympathy for radical Islam and terrorism (after all, Lenin, of sainted memory, had a Bureau of Assassination in the Kremlin), they might be right - about themselves. Leftists fear, with good reason, that if they act on their "principles" they'll run afoul of this law. That needn't worry anyone who'd be unwilling to aid and abet terrorists.
I went and listened to an interesting lecture at http://www.jhuapl.com/colloquium/ and the speaker had written many books, some of which might be worth reading:
"the puzle palace" and "body of secrets". etc. Keep reading, learning and pondering and we all learn together. N3RF
