Saddam Executed...

[bobov (imported)]

What did Saddam's executions reek of? The victor writes the rules - nothing new here. If you agree that Saddam deserved execution, then is your antipathy to the US so great that you'd spare Saddam just to spite the US?

Partisan? The executioners were all Shiites - the Iraqi majority that was Saddam's special target. Tribal loyalties still animate most Iraqis (including Saddam, who favored his own Sunnis), so it was most easy to recruit executioners from among Saddam's victims. What's wrong with that? Most Sunni might have been unwilling to do the job.

Tacky? Should Martha Stewart have been called in to decorate the execution chamber? Serve canapes? Design color-coordinated hoods for the executioners? I can't resist the thought that your hatred for the Iraq war, George Bush, and perhaps the US, is so great that it overwhelms your perceptions of anything that might be connected to them.

[Slammr (imported)]

It wasn't an execution; it was a revenge killing, carried out much the same as the beheadings shown on the web are done, by men in masks, shouting insults and slogans, the killing of a Sunni by Shiites. It can only provoke more killing.

Although I'm against capital punishment in principal, I won't argue that Saddam didn't deserve to die. And, unlike some, I don't blame the United States or the current administration for how it was carried out. I do blame the current government of Iraq, though; and I think it's further evidence that we should exit Iraq as soon as possible. This, a Shiite government, will never bring peace to Iraq.

Actually, the Sunni should hope that we stay. If we pull out, the world might have another genocide on its hands. Still, we should leave. We can't stop the killing; we can only slow the pace of it. But, that's no reason to put our boys in harm's way. It's our fault; we caused it -- or Bush did -- but it's beyond our ability to cure it. Here's (http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php ... Itemid=182) a site that gives the running total of the cost of the war in Iraq, money better spent here in the USA.

[Blaise (imported)]

What did Saddam's executions reek of? The victor writes the rules - nothing new here. If you agree that Saddam deserved execution, then is your antipathy to the US so great that you'd spare Saddam just to spite the US?

Partisan? The executioners were all Shiites - the Iraqi majority that was Saddam's special target. Tribal loyalties still animate most Iraqis (including Saddam, who favored his own Sunnis), so it was most easy to recruit executioners from among Saddam's victims. What's wrong with that? Most Sunni might have been unwilling to do the job.

Tacky? Should Martha Stewart have been called in to decorate the execution chamber? Serve canapes? Design color-coordinated hoods for the executioners? I can't resist the thought that your hatred for the Iraq war, George Bush, and perhaps the US, is so great that it overwhelms your perceptions of anything that might be connected to them.

The execution looked like the work of a lynch mob. I am from Georgia (USA). I know about lynching. Your comments about what you assume to be my convictions are wrong. I supported the American invasion of Iraq. I was a Republican for forty years. I am proud to be a citizen of the United States of American. I am a political conservative. I was one long before that was the idle habit of our people.

However, no civilized people would conduct an execution in the partisan (meaning tacky) manner of this execution. Our new puppet government in Iraq is no better than our puppet Hussein was.

The utter incompetence of the Bush administration is a key problem. Pointing out this incompetence is simply an act of citizenship. ADDENDUM: I think that the trial was fair. I think the verdict just. I oppose capital punishment, but the Iraqis have a right to impose it. However, the partisan way those authorities enacted the execution disgraces that government.

[Riverwind (imported)]

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[Blaise (imported)]

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[A-1 (imported)]

You make your case well. If anyone earned execution, Hussein did. Still, the execution reeks of victor’s justice and our Iraqi puppets killed the man in a tacky, partisan way. Frankly, the murderer we ought to have is the one who ordered the attack on the World Trade Center.

I agree, binLaden should be dead. If I would have been in Bush's place, I would have NUKED Afghanistan in its major cities on 9/12/2001...or as soon as the Taliban owned up to their part in the WTC piece. Bush did not do that. It was a mistake in my opinion. If he had done it, we would not be having all of this shit going down now. The Middle East would have calmed right down. OR ELSE!

Look, if you want to call the majority Shite population of Iraq partisan, I guess that it fits one of the dictionary definitions, but probably not the one that you are implying...

The Shites are the majority and they were being oppressed (along with other disfavored ethnic groups like the Kurds) by the Saddam coalition of Baath political party members and Sunni Muslims. (By the way, Saddam was tried for and executed for nerve gassing the Kurds. Let us keep the story straight.)

But Blaise, don't you go implying that America placed a 'puppet' in as president of Iraq. The Iraqis elected their president this time, and it WAS not Saddam, like the last time. (Remember, Saddam won with 98% of the vote in the previous election, nobody ran against him, and if you opposed him, you did not live too long...)

Remember, Saddam was a willing puppet. HE accepted all of the munitions and arms that he was sent to fight the Iran-Iraq war. He did not have to, nor did he have to fight that war.

I think that it is obvious that America had little 'control' over Saddam.

I can understand you all hating Bush. What I cannot understand is why you are allowing that hatred to spillover into hatred for America.

Why should YOU care if Saddam was hung by a "Partisan Lynch Mob"? Hell, you say that we did not belong there in the first place...so what makes the difference? Would you feel better if he was hung by a quorum of Muslim Mullahs?

[bobov (imported)]

Sorry, Blaise, for mistaking your politics.

The executioners wore masks so that Sunni zealots couldn't murder them in revenge for killing Saddam. Medieval European executioners wore masks for the same reason - to prevent revenge by friends and relatives of the deceased.

Someone will have to explain to me why this was a "revenge killing" and not an execution. All normative legal forms and procedures were as in the US. The majority of the Iraqi population had a grudge against Saddam. It would be hard to find anyone, except among Sunni tribes close to Saddam, who hadn't lost a relative, etc., to Saddam. This made for a high level of emotion. I fail to see why a US-style execution, carried out by disinterested functionaries as part of their jobs, is morally superior. In fact, the coldness of the US procedure, as if it were a visit from a plumber or carpenter, is chilling when one thinks of it. Our executioners seem like hit-men for hire.

Saddam did much for which he deserved to be hated. Over here, this is distant from us, and we can indulge in ethical hair-splitting and wax philosophical. Over there, Saddam's victims have spoken with passion and immediacy. My perception is the opposite of some - punishment is always and only revenge; the law merely moderates and limits that revenge. Those who've been grievously wronged deserve to be revenged, and, so that there might be justice, the state facilitates the revenge. I don't understand how people can call for so serious a step as execution to be performed without intense feeling. It's the expression of that feeling which is the purpose of the execution.

[devi (imported)]

Winston Churchill was the first person to order Kurds be nerve gassed after a rebellion (at about the same time that he created Northern Ireland). He had no remorse at parliament calling them a bunch uncivilized heathens who deserved everything they got. The next time this happened Donald Rumsfeld under Ronald Reagan procured "pesticides" for Saddam Hussein to use against Iran if necessary and since the Kurds in their rebellion against Iraq were giving Iran the edge in the war they got it. And the world wars goes on...

[A-1 (imported)]

Winston Churchill was the first person to order Kurds be nerve gassed after a rebellion (at about the same time that he created Northern Ireland). He had no remorse at parliament calling them a bunch uncivilized heathens who deserved everything they got. The next time this happened Donald Rumsfeld under Ronald Reagan procured "pesticides" for Saddam Hussein to use against Iran if necessary and since the Kurds in their rebellion against Iraq were giving Iran the edge in the war they got it. And the world wars goes on...

Interesting....

Can you site some references?

Thanks!

[Taylor (imported)]

Fuck Saddam! The world is a better place now that his shadow no longer falls upon it and no more air has to be wasted on that murdering pile of shit.

He died like the chicken-shit bully he WAS. He was a wus!!! He was caught hiding in a hole kike the work he WAS and surrendered without firing a shot.

He was a murderer that was responsible for people being tortured to death, raped to death and fed into plastic shredders feet first. He was undeserving of any tears of compassion or regret. He received a quick and painless death, something he denied to hundreds of thousands of his countrymen.

Last night I met with a good friend and we had a beer and smoked a cigars in celebration of his passing.

All who are inclined to piss & moan are welcome to do so because they are the people that allow murderers like Saddam flourish. The weak talk so they don't actually have to do anything or take risks on behalf of their claimed beliefs. The strong take action and put their lives on the line for their beliefs and to protect the weak.