Castration in fiction books

[FianceeUvBigGuy (imported)]

Kick his ass, Nicky! LOL (gently,gently...)

Yoli

Your galpal in San Antonio

[An Onymus (imported)]

I guess I should have realized the girls would gang up on me.

You might note that, since I didn't mention any names in my post #48, or refer to any other posts, any inferences from my comment were by self-identification on the part of the reader.

Have a nice day, all.

[SquirmEWorm (imported)]

I have to agree with An Onymus, there does seem to be an awful lot of fluff being posted here and not a lot of hard, useful information.

I did what I could to contribute to this thread about 20-30 postings ago. I don't read a lot of fiction or fantasy literature, so castration scenes don't occurr much in the things I read. I have to write my own fantasies. I was quite proud of my most recent contribution to the Eunuch Archive, "Special Guidance", but no one commented on it. I even began a femdom novel a couple months ago, but never pursued it. I wasn't planning to include castration, but maybe I should start writing another.

After all, if Christopher Bellows can write "A Gift From James" and get puplished by Pink Flamingo, than why not me? There was an awful lot of, for me, irrelevent rubbish in Bellows' book, but I got to hand it to him, he did an excellent job describing the castration sugery itself. Much better than I could have.

I've read, or skimmed, quite a few of Bellows' books (none have been half as good as his first, the "Gift From James", one) and he describes a lot of surgical stuff. I have to wonder if he has a medical background, if he was a practicing surgeon himself. It seems very plausible. It makes you wonder about all the surgeons out there, what they think about in their off hours. Some must fantasize about performing unnecessary surgeries on people just for the fun of it, for the resulting asthetic value of the modified person. Anyway, all this surgical stuff is a big turn-off for me. But I'm sure there are those that really love it.

Night, night, milk and cookies, hugs and kisses,

-Squirm E.

[Karelescu (imported)]

I've remembered yet another novel that features eunuchs and (off-stage) castrations. It's by an American called Judith Tar (or Tarr). It's a fantasy series (fantasy as in magic and warriors, not as in "Free My Willie" or "Shaving Ryan's Privates"), and the first book is entitled "The Hall of The Mountain King". Eunuchs are mentioned throughout all three books, but castration as part of the plot doesn't occur until the third book (I'm sorry. I can't remember the title just now). There's one scene in which a group of slave-eunuchs are seen in a slave pen, all naked, with their hands tied behind their backs "so that they couldn't hide their shame" - if memory serves. The plot revolves around a fight for succession to the throne, and older brothers trying to castrate the heir so that he is inelligible. The book ends with a surprise total, magical sex-change (by which I mean the burly warrior is completely transformed into a dusky maiden). I won't have ruined your enjoyment of the book by telling you this. But it is quite an adventurous step by the writer and, although it's not one of the best novels ever written, it is interesting and deserves a mention. What is, perhaps, more interesting is that the author is a breeder of (I think) Arabian horses and is not above gelding her own stable (on the jacket-flap of my edition she was pictured with one of her geldings - a horse, I hasten to add, not a pony-boy). These books were published in the US by Tor and in the UK by Pan. They're out of print in the UK. I don't know about the States. Oh, and Judith Tar also wrote a previous fantasy trilogy, for those who care. Possibly about King Arthur (so original).

Ta. Nix

[Uncle Flo (imported)]

Honestly, I've been enjoying the literary dialog. We don't get too much of that sort of thing on EA so it makes for a nice lively change of pace. You keep writing, and I'll keep reading. FLO

[tjstill (imported)]

Not a book you hear of but "Darkest Orient" by RIZA BEY has two chapters on castration of men to serve as sex toys for women who do not want to get pregnant. They are talked into it by an old eunuch who then pimps them out whilst they retain some vigour. Arco publications ,London, first ed 1937 seven reprints up to the date of my copy.Anyone else seen it?

P.S I have got a few others to dig out you have not mentioned

[Karelescu (imported)]

Dear all (and tjstill, especially) and FLO, especially also.

I have just begun the list I mentioned above. If you have novels/strories/movie-gobbits to add, please do!

Thus far, I have twenty-three (or-so) novels (not necessarily including Ancient Greek/Roman). Nor are they necessarily novels. It depends on how you define them.

All I have done is a quick (very quick) trawl in order to to re-read everyone's postings; but I will admit that I am utterly astonished that all we have is this: under thirty novels that mention castration (or eunuchs). Surely there are more out there? Yeah, like novels, duh?

If I can face making this list (and it's not as simple as it seems -attribution to the people who mentioned the books in the first place, for example) then I will. And I have begun. Meanwhile, will people keep posting this site? We want to know. And if we don't want to know, then, well, I wanna know. And I know I've blotted my copy-book by turning out to be a complete twat, but that doesn't mean I don't wanna know more books. Nor does it mean that I don't care. So, gimme the info. Please!

Yours, with a de-caff-coffee,

The daft-as-a-brush,

Nicky.

(I blame those anti-depressant thingies that I ran out of last week) N.

(the antidepressants say: "Guess you shouldna run out of us already, should'ya?")

N

[Karelescu (imported)]

Back on the good ol' oil. I am unsure if I am allowed to tell you about the drugs I have to take? Such may well be illegal. Dunno. And, no, it isn't Uncle Prozac. Anyway, all I wanted to add, is that Desmond Bagley makes an amusing observation in "Running Blind" - mentioned above. As the character says: "A horse must be stupid. Any animal that allows itself to be sat on must be stupid." I admit this isn't an exact quote, but there you are. Any Pony Boys in Iceland? Yeah. they're called men. Bloody cold up there, and no trees. Bit like Canada (ha-ha-ha).

Your just-about-to-quit-smoking-and-going-bonkers because of this,

Nicky.

(Oh. 40 novels. That's the lot. Post later.) Nicky/Njal's Saga and some git who inspired Tolkien, oh, er Grettir's, aka Beowulf. And if you wanna know my pills, read Laxdaela Saga. Ooo, then you really will be depressed. And don't get me started about the Eddas.

And I have just been informed that the drugs I take for my depression are not illegal in the United States or Canada. But, better not post, just in case. And this may be the wrong site for medicaments anyway.

Ooh, and I'm kinda feeling slightly better. Nicky

Having just re-read my post, I think it best to make sure that everyone understands that my own psychological problems have nothing to do with systemic-subtsance abuse. I am a mild manic depressive (bit like a blunt Spike Milligan - if you know who he was. Or, like the not-funny bits from "Monty Python".). The drug-therapy I have discovered will do nothing for hard-drug addicts. (well, maybe, but your problems are not mine). Okay. Are we all sure, or do I have to be a girl again tonight? I can if you want...sweeties. "I'M JUST A GIRL IN THE WOR---"

Keep well, and keep alive, and keep hopeful.. All of you. Everybody.

Your so-much-better Nicky.

[tjstill (imported)]

Golden voyager the first part of a roman slave trilogy has various plots relating to castration and eunuchs (as do the other two books).Simon Finch, PAN books. I will dig out the other two and give you the titles. They are not a bad light adventure read.

At the risk of being repetitive, I will mention again the superb (in my opinion) attempt to castrate James Bond in Casino Royale, the villain does not pull it off (no pun intended) but there is a good whole chapter devoted to the slow destruction of his balls. There was a similar thread to this one a couple of years ago in the archieve which threw up some good books.

[Karelescu (imported)]

My partner has just had to go into hospital with a nasty infection (she isn 't my girl-friend, just my co-hobbit; and, no, this is not a sexual infection - just so that you know). Anyway, she asked me to go and see what novels were in the charity stores. Guess what I found? "The Alteration" by Kingsley Amis. If anyone wants it, I'll pick it up and mail it you. It's a nice "Panther" paperback with a cute choirboy in the ecclesiastical robes on the front.

Nicky.

Oh, and sorry I forgot about Bond and "Casino Royal". As Fleming writes in the next book ("From Russian with Love") "Bond had already been aquainted with torture".

This list I suggested (of all the books/stories we've mentioned) isn't as easy as I thought. I've roughed it out, but I am not sure where to start, and what to exclude. And anyway, a list like this would be better if people can add to it once it's posted.

Sorry to be brief, but I am worried about my pal.

See ya!

Yet, I wouldn't be me if I were not to add one more instance. In John Fowles's silly book, "The Magus", a certain character recalls watching (or seeing the aftermath) a Greek resistance fighter having his genitals removed by a Nazi with a pair of (I think) wire-clippers. If I remember correctly, the character sees the results, not the actuality. Golly. That book is over 600 pages, and had only one castration. Gimme the stories in the Eunuch Archives any day! (But then, almost anything is better than John Fowles, in'nit?"

Bye.

Nix