A question to the eunuch community re: Adrenal Testosterone

[SethRose (imported)]

Ahh alright I get what you're saying now!

I don't think you think I'm thinking for what I think I think I'm thinking.

If I were trying to make Eunuch Super Soldiers, the points you raise would be problematic. This is no less fascinating to hear, I've never heard this before and it is good food for thought! This is probably an answer to a question I haven't even figured out that I need to ask.

The more I read this forum the more need for some alternative to HRT; which scares me in the way that McDonalds scares a nutritionist. It won't kill you outright, but neither will McD's fries... and once you know what's really going on in there you don't want anyone to needlessly put their body through that. Since, you've got the T practically pouring out between your ears there ought to be a much healthier alternative that might be as simple as adding a little excitement to your life for few minutes out of the day. Does that make sense and better explain where I’m going with all of this? It shouldn’t require extremely high stress situations that would force the body to have a “come down”. Okay, I know for a fact that the first few weeks you’d have moderate shakes during the exciting activity if you’ve lived sedentary for a long while, but you’d feel so “alive” you wouldn’t care.

After I've patented an HRT Alternative and completed my initial research I should have the funding for the Eunuch Super Soldiers... with fricken laser beams!

[(db) (imported)]

My stated experience might not be universal !

You mention T pouring out between the ears, but that is no more than the usual flight or flight response.

When a body system is not used to running on T, then any T can have a much greater priming effect, and I personally prefer to not experience it.

I don't feel any need to have a little (physical?) excitement every day, and I have no wish to be a Super Soldier, so I wonder what it is you think you would like to offer and test upon those who accept your invitation.

You appear to be offering the recovery of distinctly Male activity, but that is not what everyone here wants.

[SethRose (imported)]

You mention T pouring out between the ears, but that is no more than the usual flight or flight response.

This should be all that is needed to completely replace HRT for those that do take HRT to minimize the side-effects of castration. I don't want to fear monger, but if you can regulate your own natural T at very minimal levels it is much better for you than introducing artificial T... and if nothing else, cheaper!

When a body system is not used to running on T, then any T can have a much greater priming effect, and I personally prefer to not experience it.

I don't feel any need to have a little (physical?) excitement every day, and I have no wish to be a Super Soldier, so I wonder what it is you think you would like to offer and test upon those who accept your invitation.

You appear to be offering the recovery of distinctly Male activity, but that is not what everyone here wants.

I am afraid we are having some miscommunication, and that is probably my fault for typing very late at night. The whole Super Soldier thing was a poorly formulated joke, with a pop culture reference to "fricken laser beams" from Dr. Evil, in the comedic series of films featuring Austin Powers. Please pay this no attention, as it was merely a whimsical sense of humor that often enters my writing late at night. I do not wish to suggest anyone do any “Male’ activity or any other activity that they would not enjoy, only that spending 15-30 minutes in the day doing something exciting could be all that is needed to reduce the need for HRT for those that take it.

The real complication here is that I have directed my inquiry to those of you that have made such profound peace with your situation that you have no desire for HRT, and most seem not to want any T at all. Which is fine, I admire those of you that have taken upon an entirely new hormonal balance in stride. I am not suggesting that those of you not taking HRT need anything at all. Unfortunately I have to eliminate people taking HRT from this question just like someone researching anything similar in women would have to eliminate women taking birth control pills; the introduction of foreign/synthetic hormones to a system plays merry hell with research. Some fascinating studies by researchers (that are quite senior to me) have been discredited entirely because of issues like this.

The alternative course of action is to ask people taking HRT to stop taking HRT and attempt to introduce excitement into their lives for a couple of weeks and see if that eliminates the same side-effects they are taking HRT for, but this crosses boundaries that I don’t think I am prepared to cross without much more confirmation of my theory.

[(db) (imported)]

Hi SethRose,

What do you mean by 'excitement'.

everyday social interaction

cerebral excitement sexual

masturbationary exercise

physical exercise fitness

physical exertion work

so many options.

[SethRose (imported)]

Hi SethRose,

What do you mean by 'excitement'.

everyday social interaction

cerebral excitement sexual

masturbationary exercise

physical exercise fitness

physical exertion work

so many options.

Yes there are many options, I am not limiting the scope.

[tugon (imported)]

You said that you wanted to be "finished with men" and then explained about your healthy sex life which you find rewarding in new (and by the way you sound, amazing) ways. You honestly made me a bit envious.

So I went back and thoroughly read through your post "Male & Female both opposites" as well as the many interesting replies. I guess that you decided you weren’t finished, after all, despite your previous abusive relationship. This sounds like a healthy rebound, despite your new found need for love and affection, which you categorized as “incredible”. Do you still find these feelings to be excessive and you’ve just managed to cope with them over the years? Or is it a trait you accept as your own and have found a loving man that accepts you? The reason I ask is that women who would categorize themselves as having an abusive past and an excessive need for love and affection often do not cope well and find themselves in numerous abusive relationships trying to satisfy an insatiable need. I’m wondering if something can be learned from how you managed to be as happy as you sound now.

Do you still have hot flashes? I can tell by your posts that the high emotional state persists, but you use it to your advantage. You do an excellent job of conveying the emotions to readers.

Is the sexual activity the only activity that gets your heart pumping? Do you enjoy any recreation that might be firing off the adrenal gland?

Seth I should say that the need for affection and love was always a part of me but blocked by the sex addiction. As the addiction grew my need for sexual thrills overwhelmed any sense of emotional needs. Once my levels began to drop the sex addiction ended and a normal appetite for sex* and affection remained. The desire for affection was surprising and had an intensity as many things in life can when seemingly new. Almost nine years since castration and I am very comfortable with my emotional range. I am comfortable with my place in the world.

At the end of the period of abuse I was fearful of losing myself. No longer due to death but to dissociation. Mentally I would leave the situation or fall asleep when things were at their worst. I began to realize I was hanging by a thread and I sensed if abused anymore I might dissociate and not come back. Tugon has left the building. I did not know what my body would do if my mind was gone. Along with castration and my struggle to hold on to me I was able to break away from my abuser. I think what helped me from repeating that cycle was my relying on friends for love and support and not trying to find a romantic partner for many years. My first few years as a eunuch if someone would come on to me or if I was exposed to anything erotic I would have waves of nauseau. Sex was so ugly for so long that the thought of sex would make me sick. Healing was the thing I needed to do in order to be in love and make the right choice in partner. Of course I was able to choose a partner based on the quality of person and not how they could feed the addiction. Until self esteem is raised and abuse is stopped it would be easy to attract another abuser. Abuse for me started early in life and like some I became locked in a passive role.

As far as doing anything for adrenaline rushes having lived for years with a gun to my head was enough of a rush. Peace and quiet is what I strive for now. Passengers in my car do experience adrenaline rushes. You also asked about hot flashes and I only have them when consuming too much caffeine.

*normal in the sense of wanting to be with just one person.

[SethRose (imported)]

Thanks for the follow up, Tugon! I'm glad to hear you're happy where you are after all of that.

So then I take it you have no side-effects presently that are "negative", other than the caffeine induced hot-flashes (which might make for an interesting tangent later)? Do you think it is fair to describe your driving as "Exciting", i.e. forcing your utmost concentration as you whip through turns?

[tugon (imported)]

Seth one thing I have forgotten until recently is how my body reacts during release of adrenaline. During times of anger or fear I have lower back pain during the release of the adrenaline. This has only happened since becoming a eunuch and I will be asking my doctor if lack of testosterone causes my body difficulty processing the adrenaline. Did not know if this would be of interest and if anyone else has ever experienced pain during those times. I did not know if having lived long term under stress if this could be part of the cause?

[SethRose (imported)]

There is a whole area of medical arguments around back pain being caused by a number of physiological ailments. I won’t venture any opinions on the matter, and instead would like to hear if anyone else has this symptom. Anyone else experiencing this?

Thanks for the additional information, always good to get as much as possible!

[(db) (imported)]

Strange that today is the first e-mail notification I have had for this thread since my last post.

I did check back but saw nothing via this computer. Not to worry.

Hi Tugon,

Testosterone can exacerbate back pain because of the way it increases muscle power, thus increasing pressure upon spinal discs and nerves.

Adrenaline (fight or flight) is well known to most effectively block pain sensations.

Long term stress and anger can together lead to irreversible damage of the spinal column through the masking of pain warnings and internal muscle pressures.

Hi SethRose,

I don't regard 'lesser back pain' due to adrenaline being a symptom of anything.

However I do think it likely that becoming an Eunuch can ease back pain due to the spinal musculature easing up on discs and nerves.