Investigating this Archive

[Beau Geste (imported)]

Considering that some things are occasionally discussed on these forums, which are either illegal, such as surgical procedures done by unlicensed "cutters", or which are of questionable legality, such as ordering drugs from overseas sources which can't be obtained in the U.S., I would think that law enforcement agencies look at this website with some regularity.

The question I would have is, are there specific limits on what law enforcement agencies can do to investigate websites like this, with or without a court order? For example, can law enforcement officers get everyone's IP number, can they download the membership list and see if the names match with those listed on other sites, and can they hack into the software to look for information which isn't otherwise available?

[Kangan (imported)]

The question I would have is, are there specific limits on what law enforcement agencies can do to investigate websites like this, with or without a court order? For example, can law enforcement officers get everyone's IP number, can they download the membership list and see if the names match with those listed on other sites, and can they hack into the software to look for information which isn't otherwise available?

Answer: All of the above. Law enforcement can and will use illegal methods at times to gain information. They just can't use it in court. However, I would say that there would have to be some egregious violation of law taking place before anything would happen.

Beware the witchhunters - the walls have ears.

[Robby (imported)]

Considering that some things are occasionally discussed on these forums, which are either illegal, such as surgical procedures done by unlicensed "cutters", or which are of questionable legality, such as ordering drugs from overseas sources which can't be obtained in the U.S., I would think that law enforcement agencies look at this website with some regularity.

The question I would have is, are there specific limits on what law enforcement agencies can do to investigate websites like this, with or without a court order? For example, can law enforcement officers get everyone's IP number, can they download the membership list and see if the names match with those listed on other sites, and can they hack into the software to look for information which isn't otherwise available?

BG,

Law enforcement agencies most likely look at this site from time to time. There is no way to stop them or an agenda to stop them. We are an open society and welcome all comers.

This site prides itself on education. Most responses are educational and within the letter of the law. Information dissemination is a good thing. We don't advocate illegal behavior and suggest utilizing professional medical services and facilities. When it comes to suppliments, we suggest legal means to obtain them.

If law enforcement agencies want or need specific IP addresses, they either have them by now or will use legal means to obtain them. There is no need to cause fear of law enforcement agencies unless you are doing something illegal.

And yes, the membership list is open access here at the Archive. Just look up at the mini-tool bar at the top of this page. Its called "Members List (http://www.eunuch.org/vbulletin/memberlist.php?)"... http://www.eunuch.org/Public/Images/ea1/E8.gif Just keep in mind, we don't publish anything you have not given the Archive to publish.

[BudleyBare (imported)]

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There is no need to cause fear of law enforcement agencies unless you are doing something illegal....

Methinks thou art very naive.

[Robby (imported)]

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There is no need to cause fear of law enforcement agenc

ies unless you are doing something

illegal....

Methinks thou art very naive.Coming from a family with a long list of Law Enforcement members, what are you trying to say?...

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[BudleyBare (imported)]

Coming from a family with a long list of Law Enforcement members, what are you trying to say?...

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9.gifI do not know why you are injecting your relatives/friends into this matter. What have they got to do with this?

The answer to your question is in my post. I am simply expressing a personal opinion about some of your comments.

[Kangan (imported)]

I'll say it again: Beware the witch hunters. There are certain folks in law enforcement and certain media reporters who are looking for easy targets in order to further their careers or political ambitions.

Just because we have a First Amendment does not mean that we cannot become the subject of a witch hunt.

Watch what you say - even in "private" messages or email. (Nothing is private on the Web.)

[Robby (imported)]

I do not know why you are injecting your relatives/friends into this matter. What have they got to do with this?

The answer to your question is in my post. I am simply expressing a personal opinion about some of your comments.

What do I need to do to get through?... As Kangan and many others have said before, there are people and organizations looking for any way possible to sink groups and sites like ours that thrive on the Internet.

I discuss this site with my family every week. We discuss different ways E.A. could get hurt. I in turn bring that knowledge back to the Archive in posts such as this one. I have much respect for my family members and they don't shy away from my conversations about the Archive. I trust them and they in turn trust me.

Just so you know, some of my family members include police offices, police investigators, attorneys, and a District Attorney. Do you think they know a little about the law?... That is why I inject my family into these discussions. They bring a lot of knowledge to the table.

The way I see it, there is a lot to learn and much more to lose.

[A-1 (imported)]

Ugly is in the eye of the beholder, and beauty is only skin deep.

As Forrest Gump would say, ugly is as ugly does...



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[BudleyBare (imported)]

What do I need to do to get through?...

You are coming through loud and clear. I am not attacking you. I am not attacking this forum. I am not trying to sink this forum. I am not bringing into question your relationships or trust factors between you and friends/family. I have simply shared an

opinion about some of your comments,

and I stand by what I said, especially so the more you protest.

I sense that you are trying to convince me that I am wrong. This is not a matter of who is right and who is wrong, because we are both right. You absolutely are "right", given your experiences in life. I, on the other hand, have had different experiences and also am absolutely "right".

I will not address this matter any further; it would only be more negative energy.