Slammr (imported) wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2006 4:27 pm
Do you think God really cares whom you love? Isn't loving more important than the sex of the one you love? If God hates homosexuals, why did he make so many of them?
Don't cut off your balls because you're afraid of loving. Even if it's just sex you want, there's nothing wrong with that, as long as you don't hurt someone.
If you believe in a God that hates you because you're homosexual, maybe your belief in that God is what needs changing. Get yourself a different God. That one's an asshole.
You're inseperable from God. He can't hate you, because you're part of him. It's your belief -- your view of God -- that needs to be changed; re-examine it; don't cut off your balls.
i AM GETTING CUT FOR SPIRITUAL REASONS.. BUT NOT BECAUSE i AM GAY
I believe Matthew 19:12 can be interpreted on one level at least to refer to literal castration, and I believe that the one who can accept it should.
But the vast majority of men cannot accept it, and if you don't feel God calling you to castration, then chances are that you fit into this majority.
While not saying one way or the other how I feel about it, I will say I can understand the position of the gay man wanting castration because of his desires.
In any event, you will probably want to think this out very well before you take any action. Castration is irreversible as you probably know. Once they're gone, you don't get them back ever again. You will never be the same person again. Things can never be how they were before. So make the decision you feel is right and think it out thoroughly.
Christian homosexuals can try and live happily with their sexuality. Many do. Others modify their spiritual beliefs to fit. Maybe this covers more than 99%.
But for those who cannot make this match and compromise, and have great difficulty remaining celebate - castration (chemical and/or surgical) is a real option which should be respected. This if combined with low level HRT has all the known benefits of eunuch life with reduced urges which could lead the man to get AIDS, hepatitis A to Z and all the rest.
Several men wanabe ex-gay have mailed me privatly about this. Also heterosexual christian men who get themselves into a mess with agressive sexual behaviour have mailed. They feel I have hit on a point that speaks to them.
God gave me the capacity to love. He gave me the desire to love men. He gave me a man to love above all other men. My desires to be a eunuch stem from God making me neutral of gender in my heart and mind. My great need to become a eunuch in order to cure my problems of sexual addiction came from the hands of humans in acts that were far from human. It is important to seperate what comes from God as opposed to what is caused by man.
Saul (imported) wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2006 10:24 am
Hello "OneBallBoi"
Christian homosexuals can try and live happily with their sexuality. Many do. Others modify their spiritual beliefs to fit. Maybe this covers more than 99%.
But for those who cannot make this match and compromise, and have great difficulty remaining celebate - castration (chemical and/or surgical) is a real option which should be respected.
I don't agree. Anyone who believes homosexuality (or, for that matter, masturbation) to be a sin needs to either find another religion or find a way to accept that they will sin.
Saul (imported) wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2006 10:24 am
This if combined with low level HRT has all the known benefits of eunuch life with reduced urges which could lead the man to get AIDS, hepatitis A to Z and all the rest.
You exaggerate greatly. Using a condom is a far easier (and ultimately safer) way to avoid HIV and hepatitis. Furthermore, safe and effective vaccines are available for hepatitis A and hepatitis B.
I am in discussion with four men privatly about this. One is a Buhdist monk who was castrated 10 years ago and is very happy with his calm. He was previously preocupied with sexual ideas relating to fellow monks. One is a straight man who had a "self abuse" problem, who after many DIY attempts achieved surgical castration. The other two are 'Ex-gay" men who are in a trajectory for castration.
Yes its for a very small minority. Its drastic. But it gives them the life they want.
If transexuals can do it because they believe they are women trapped in mens bodies then why not these men?
Fine for people who have their head together and have the condoms.
For those Chrisian men who pre-casration wake up weekend after weekend with yet another rectum full of some unknown mans seamen, it may be a very effective way of saving a whole lot of disease and guilt. What do they need - yet another poster campaign? Lets face it, it works with cats and dogs. It works with hypersexual men who do not want to live this way.
Saul (imported) wrote: Mon Sep 18, 2006 10:29 am
Fine for people who have their head together and have the condoms.
For those Chrisian men who pre-casration wake up weekend after weekend with yet another rectum full of some unknown mans seamen, it may be a very effective way of saving a whole lot of disease and guilt. What do they need - yet another poster campaign? Lets face it, it works with cats and dogs. It works with hypersexual men who do not want to live this way.
Saul
Have you tried condoms? They'll keep the semen out of your ass -- also might keep away the diseases. The guilt? That's something you'll have to work on yourself.
If you want to cut off your balls -- cut off your balls -- but spare us this Christian moralizing about homosexuality.
I am really pleased with all the reactions I am getting on this topic. It has clearly struck a cord - the combination of faith, sex and castration, not only for "ex-gay" men but also for sexual offenders and a surprising number of straight men. I for one have come on a long way in a short time. I have learned a great deal from men who have been there and done this - particularly that faith driven castration is an issue that is not conifined to Christianity alone.
There is a marked difference in tone between many of the public replies and all but one of the private ones. One theoretical and ethical, the other more desparate and pragmatic; Often actually very sad to the point of tragedy.
I am now bowing out of this public discussion. Please feel free to send private mail to me if you wish.
