HIV Positive Eunuchs

[farharbour (imported)]

So far I know of five HIV positive eunuchs. Are there any on here? It seems that being infected has influenced the decision to be castrated. One fellow had knowingly infected other men , so he want to remove his sex drive. Does anyone know of other such cases?

[JeffEunuch (imported)]

So far I know of five HIV positive eunuchs. Are there any on here? It seems that being infected has influenced the decision to be castrated. One fellow had knowingly infected other men , so he want to remove his sex drive. Does anyone know of other such cases?

I think I know of many more than that. I know of one for whom being HIV+ played a role definitely led to his decision to be castrated.

If every HIV+ guy whom continued to practise unsafe sex were to have himself castrated, the world would definitely be a better place.

[A-1 (imported)]

Well,

I hate to pee on a parade here, but with the rampant sexuality of the early 1980's in the Gay Community, all Gay men practicing multiple-partner sex should have died.

However, some didn't. Some had a natural immunity (http://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/case_plague/) to HIV-AIDS. It was first thought to have been generated by natural selection of black plague or bubonic plague victims.

However, subsequent research seems to point to smallpox as the natural selection disease that generated the genetic immunity. (http://www.medicineonline.com/condition ... 4&catID=12)

If the immunity is something that you have it, not only can you not contract HIV-AIDS, but you cannot pass it to anyone, either.

A-1

[Ed (imported)]

Thats an interesting statement A-1. I am certain that I neither have HIV, had small pox, or have any natural immunity to either. And dispite the rampent sex of the early 80's, 90's and 00's and a little in the late 70's, I am not now nor have I ever been, dead. I also hope that you are not suggesting that any of the dead deserved it. I believe that anyone who would knowingly infect an unsuspecting person should be more than castrated.

Ed

[kristoff]

Well,

I hate to pee on a parade here, but with the rampant sexuality of the early 1980's in the Gay Community, all Gay men practicing multiple-partner sex should have died.

However, some didn't. Some had a natural immunity (http://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/case_plague/) to HIV-AIDS. It was first thought to have been generated by natural selection of black plague or bubonic plague victims.

However, subsequent research seems to point to smallpox as the natural selection disease that generated the genetic immunity. (http://www.medicineonline.com/condition ... 4&catID=12)

If the immunity is something that you have it, not only can you not contract HIV-AIDS, but you cannot pass it to anyone, either.

A-1

I suspect that some of us were just plain friggin lucky not to have contracted HIV or died.

If things were as simple as an issue of smallpox, I suspect we would be out infecting everyone with it as a cure to the pandemic

[A-1 (imported)]

Thats an interesting statement A-1. I am certain that I neither have HIV, had small pox, or have any natural immunity to either. And dispite the rampent sex of the early 80's, 90's and 00's and a little in the late 70's, I am not now nor have I ever been, dead. I also hope that you are not suggesting that any of the dead deserved it. I believe that anyone who would knowingly infect an unsuspecting person should be more than castrated.

Ed

Ed,

Of course not. However, the attitude that Gay people infected people with callous disregard is not completely fair or accurate. You have to understand the socialization of this population sub-group.

The Gay community of the 1970's and early 1980's attitude was that it was their right to have Gay sex as often as they wanted and with as many people as they wanted. Some Gay men were having from 1000 - (yes, go figure) 2,200 partners a year. Their medical records revealed that the more partners that they had the more their medical charts looked like an encyclopedia of veneral disease. The prevalent attitude was, "Oh, the clap, pleeese! just go to the doctor, get treated and you will be good to go some more after you are well." At first they thought that veneral disease could never kill you in the day and age in which they were living. This was a deadly and wrong attitude and it killed many people, and not all of them were Gay...

In addition, hepatitis was rampant and in the midst of the HIV epidemic 90% of the HIV positive Gay men were also infected with hepatitis. It was well-known that screening for hepatitis in the blood banking system could also prevent HIV infection. Why wasn't it done? Well, it was deemed too expensive to do the testing...

Read all about it. (http://www.kieranhealy.org/files/papers/ts.pdf)

This was hush-hushed REAL fast...because of this, 90% of the hemophiliacs in AMerica were infected with HIV through using Factor 6. It took the biproducts of over 3000 units of blood to make 1 unit of Factor 6. The Gay community in big cities were civic-minded and young and they donated lots of blood to the Red Cross Blood Banks. As a result, virtually ALL of the factor 6 given to hemophiliacs during the AIDS crisis was infected with HIV.

SO, if you want to bitch about people infecting other people, Ed, go find Karl Bove who made the decision not to screen blood for hepatitis anti-bodies during the HIV crisis.

The poor Gay men didn't know any better. The medical community should have. ANd, God rest his soul, Ronald Reagan with his homo-phobic attitude and righteous right backing blamed the AIDS crisis on it's victims when he said...

On April 2, 1987, Reagan said: "How that information is used must be up to schools and parents, not government. But let's be honest with ourselves, AIDS information can not be what some call 'value neutral.' After all, when it comes to preventing AIDS, don't medicine and morality teach the same lessons."

Find it here. (http://www.actupny.org/reports/reagan.html)

So, Ed, with all do respect, putting people with AIDs in prison is tantamount to reducing the

correctional system to a Leper Colony. Even today.

I suspect that some of us were just plain friggin lucky not to have contracted HIV or died.

If things were as simple as an issue of smallpox, I suspect we would be out in

fecting everyone with it as a cure to the pandemic

I hold the research being done in Brigham Young University in Utah with deep distrust due to their religious affiliation. They have a bias. I would suspect that the immunity to HIV virus arises from a natural selection type process of a perfectly natural genetic trait difference in humanity.

It is just a coincidence that the bacillus that causes the Bubonic plague (black death) and the HIV virus both target the T-Helper Cells and both use a similar enzyme to break down the cell membrane. This, in my estimation, is what gives the immunity. The CD-4 molecules in some individuals are either completely immune or significantly resistant to the infection process and this allows the natural immunity of the human body of these lucky individuals to eradicate the HIV virus because it cannot infect at a rate fast enough to weaken the immune system. In some cases, as I said, infection of certain individuals is impossible.

It is possible that you might be such an individual. If you want to help, contact the

Arron Diamond Foundation (http://www.adarc.org/about/history-irenediamond.htm) and see if you could possibly assist their research.

However, I want to say this to any individual who thinks that they participated in the rampant sexuality of those days and that they may have infected individuals with HIV. IF you have a natural immunity, not only can you NOT get the HIV infection, but you CANNOT pass a disease that you do not have to another individual.

If this though is giving you a castration complex, making you feel that you should have yourself castrated as some sort of retribution, you need to seek a professional therapist. Your guilt is unfounded.

A-1

[Ed (imported)]

A-1 you said "

You have to understand the socialization of this population sub-group.

" I am here to tell you, that I am (was) a member of that "population sub-group" so don't begin to tell me what we thought, knew or felt. And don't just lump us all together. Thank you.

Ed

[Taylor (imported)]

Boy, this is dangerous water we're treading here.

Ok, so what is the solution? Any suggestions? (Don't anyone say we should spend more money. That isn't a solution, it's merely a salve for the conscience.)

If we really wanted to get serious about communicable diseases, we'd initiate nationwide testing and identify those who are infected. Once identified they should be treated and counseled on not infecting others. Once identified, if someone infects another then they SHOULD be imprisoned for life.

[A-1 (imported)]

A-1 you said "

You have to understand the so

cialization of this population sub-group.

" I am here to tell you, that I am (was) a member of that "population sub-group" so don't begin to tell me what we thought, knew or felt. A

nd don't just lump us all together. Thank you.

Ed

Ed, forgive me.

Medical people tend to look at things from a removed, objective perspective that relies on surveys, interviews and the like to gauge the setiments of a population sub-group. I understand that to you it is much more than that if you were a member of the group. I was not a member of the group, I was just a medical professional looking in from the outside, trying to help.

A-1

[A-1 (imported)]

Boy, this is dangerous water we're treading here.

Ok, so what is the solution? Any suggestions? (Don't anyone say we should spend more money. That isn't a solution, it's merely a salve for the conscience.)

If we really wanted to get serious about communicable diseases, we'd initiate nationwide testing and identify those who are infected. Once identified they should be treated and counseled on not infecting others. Once identified, if someone infects another then they SHOULD be imprisoned for life.

Taylor,

The answer does not lie in regulation, but in education.

The Gay community behaved very rationally in the AIDS crisis as a whole and mobilized through organizations like ACT UP (http://www.actuporalhistory.org/).

In some cases, their behavior was very heroic, but always the driving thrust of the organization was education and science. Emotion and guilt will not serve you well in a crisis. You must keep a level head, try to not let emotion get the best of you and seek the higher ground to forge a solution.

Sometimes this requires achievement of Stage 6 of Kohlberg's Principles. (http://changingminds.org/explanations/l ... _stage.htm) More here. (http://faculty.plts.edu/gpence/html/kohlberg.htm)

We have to be ever-vigilant to avoid pitfalls.

A-1