Is Homosexuality like a switch we turn on for light?

[JesusA (imported)]

While there is no conclusive scientific proof (as if such a thing were even possible) that homosexuality has a genetical or prenatal cause, there is very strong evidence for it. The recent study (published June 28, 2006) demonstrating that the more sons a woman bears, the more likely that the youngest of them will be gay argues for a causal factor while the baby is still in the womb (Bogaert 2006). Certainly not all fifth sons are gay nor first sons straight, but the statistical evidence for a causal factor is extremely strong. While religious fanatics have already tried to argue against ALL such research results, the evidence continues to mount for a number of different causes of homosexuality that are prenatal – genetic or environmental – within the womb. Multiple causes may well have the same or similar results.

One piece of research in a related field also lends a great deal of weight to this argument. There has been considerable research on the children born of women who took Diethylstilbestrol (DES) during pregnancy to prevent morning sickness. A recent study of over 500 adult men who were DES babies found that over 30% of them had some sort of gender dysphoria. A large percentage seem to be Male-to-Female transsexuals as a result of the medications that their mothers took while they were still in the womb (Kerlin 2005). Their chromosomes and plumbing are male, but the gender inside their heads is female. Intersex individuals (XY chromosomes and intermediate plumbing, e.g., micro penis or hypospadias) are also very common among DES males.

BIBLIOGRAPHY:

Bogaert, A. 2006). Biological versus nonbiological older brothers and men's sexual orientation. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. vol. 103 pp. 10771-10774

Kerlin, S. (2005). Prenatal exposure to Diethylstilbestrol (DES) in males and gender-related disorders: results from a 5-year study. Paper presented at the International Behavioral Development Symposium 2005. Minot, North Dakota.

[satanherself (imported)]

I think the whole thing is BS,,born that way,,and all the other excuses..Alot of it is psychological ( sp ),,,Your tought from birth man/woman so ,,,depending on ones life they might need to seek out a strong figure that was abscent in ther life and that could lead them in a "gay" direction,,some may just prefer a certain body..Take note of all the gay boy adds,,many are the exact same buff guy all teh girls want ,,lol ,,,same can be said for lesbian adds,,even trans,,it's always the "perfect" ,,,in the end is'nt it really about connecting with someone as to who your partner should/will be?? I have tried boys and myself found it very overrated,,and hate the thought that everyone thinks trans ,,are trans jus to get dick,,I get the strangest looks when people who I infomr of my being ,find out I like girls,,lol They are liek "why?" ,,rofl wtf kind question is that ,,bottom line love is love no matter who or what it's with,,Far to many are to insecure in theer own skin and need a title to make them feel better..and not for nothing,,IF being gay is a way you are born,,then how come all gay men don't have that strange speach impediment???? oh almost forgot yes it can be turned on and off as homosexuality is not your LIFE,,it is a part of it,,the sexual part ,,nothing more

[Blaise (imported)]

While there is no conclusive scientific proof (as if such a thing were even possible) that homosexuality has a genetical or prenatal cause, there is very strong evidence for it. The recent study (published June 28, 2006) demonstrating that the more sons a woman bears, the more likely that the youngest of them will be gay argues for a causal factor while the baby is still in the womb (Bogaert 2006). Certainly not all fifth sons are gay nor first sons straight, but the statistical evidence for a causal factor is extremely strong. While religious fanatics have already tried to argue against ALL such research results, the evidence continues to mount for a number of different causes of homosexuality that are prenatal – genetic or environmental – within the womb. Multiple causes may well have the same or similar results.

One piece of research in a related field also lends a great deal of weight to this argument. There has been considerable research on the children born of women who took Diethylstilbestrol (DES) during pregnancy to prevent morning sickness. A recent study of over 500 adult men who were DES babies found that over 30% of them had some sort of gender dysphoria. A large percentage seem to be Male-to-Female transsexuals as a result of the medications that their mothers took while they were still in the womb (Kerlin 2005). Their chromosomes and plumbing are male, but the gender inside their heads is female. Intersex individuals (XY chromosomes and intermediate plumbing, e.g., micro penis or hypospadias) are also very common among DES males.

BIBLIOGRAPHY:

Bogaert, A. 2006). Biological versus nonbiological older brothers and men's sexual orientation. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. vol. 103 pp. 10771-10774

Kerlin, S. (2005). Prenatal exposure to Diethylstilbestrol (DES) in males and gender-related disorders: results from a 5-year study. Paper presented at the International Behavioral Development Symposium 2005. Minot, North Dakota.

Thank you for the reference.

[Robby (imported)]

I had a good laugh by your comments. Surely you jest... After reading and rereading your post I offered you a couple of my thoughts. Hope you keep posting as many others will learn from your personal views.

I think the whole thing is BS,,born that way,,and all the other excuses..Alot of it is psychological ( sp ),,,

You are one strange Satan! To have such solid convictions on this subject matter is quite strange. Must be some sort of trauma coming through.

Most Gay people truly believe they were born Gay. You must not believe there are degrees of Gayness... People do not choose to be bashed. Being Gay is part of their internal makeup and they don't have to accept your bashing.

Your tought from birth man/woman so ,,,depending on ones life they might need to seek out a strong figure that was abscent in ther life and that could lead them in a "gay" direction,,some may just prefer a certain body..

Your thought process is rather limited. To assume the above statement, is rather crude.

Take note of all the gay boy adds,,many are the exact same buff guy all teh girls want ,,lol ,,,same can be said for lesbian adds,,even trans,,it's always the "perfect" ,,,in the end is'nt it really about connecting with someone as to who your partner should/will be?? I have tried boys and myself found it very overrated,,and hate the thought that everyone thinks trans ,,are trans jus to get dick,,I get the strangest looks when people who I infomr of my being ,find out I like girls,,lol They are liek "why?" ,,rofl wtf kind question is that ,,bottom line love is love no matter who or what it's with,,Far to many are to insecure in theer own skin and need a title to make them feel better..and not for nothing,,

No comment. The above is rather strange...

IF being gay is a way you are born,,then how come all gay men don't have that strange speach impediment????

Stereotypical statement. I find it difficult to believe you exist in today's society.

oh almost forgot yes it can be turned on and off as homosexuality is not your LIFE,,it is a part of it,,the sexual part ,,nothing more

You may have a point. There is more to life than sex. Sure hope you actually believe your own words.

[kristoff]

I think the whole thing is BS,,born that way,,and all the other excuses..Alot of it is psychological ( sp ),,,Your tought from birth man/woman so ,,,depending on ones life they might need to seek out a strong figure that was abscent in ther life and that could lead them in a "gay" direction,,some may just prefer a certain body..Take note of all the gay boy adds,,many are the exact same buff guy all teh girls want ,,lol ,,,same can be said for lesbian adds,,even trans,,it's always the "perfect" ,,,in the end is'nt it really about connecting with someone as to who your partner should/will be?? I have tried boys and myself found it very overrated,,and hate the thought that everyone thinks trans ,,are trans jus to get dick,,I get the strangest looks when people who I infomr of my being ,find out I like girls,,lol They are liek "why?" ,,rofl wtf kind question is that ,,bottom line love is love no matter who or what it's with,,Far to many are to insecure in theer own skin and need a title to make them feel better..and not for nothing,,IF being gay is a way you are born,,then how come all gay men don't have that strange speach impediment???? oh almost forgot yes it can be turned on and off as homosexuality is not your LIFE,,it is a part of it,,the sexual part ,,nothing more

Me just thinks someone has been having just a wee bit of the Bitter grog.

[richard31uk (imported)]

well for my two cents worth...i still laugh about a t-shirt i saw once at a gay pride rally where it just said :-

"Hetrosexuality is not normalit is just common"

[satanherself (imported)]

LOL,,well things don't always come out in word as well as thought.

Bashing- Sadly happens to everyone gay ,straight,black,female,people of different religious beliefs . So don't knwo where your going with that one

As for teh speach reference- That is merely to point out that ,that is something that comes from trying ,and why would one "try" to be gay if they were born as such ?

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Your thought process is rather limited. To assume the above statement, is rather crude.

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Not crude ,,it happens,not saying it is as things should be.

as for Degrees of "gayness" im not really sure what you are trying to say ?

Again ,what I was trying to say seem to have not carried over in typed word.

Gues teh thing Im trying to say is who cares,,if your happy with who YOU are then what does it matter why?

[richard31uk (imported)]

where i was going with the bashing is that i for one am comfortable with my sexuality and therefore i am able to make a joke about it with friends....being the only openly gay person where i work it is more often than not me that starts the jokes.......and yes i fully agree if you are comfortable with who you are then no one elses thoughts should matter...but then i do know that people take others feelings to heart.

I feel that if you can laugh at yourself then the world does not seem such a bad place....with all the wars/terrorism that are going on life needs to have something to lighten it.

[Blaise (imported)]

where i was going with the bashing is that i for one am comfortable with my sexuality and therefore i am able to make a joke about it with friends....being the only openly gay person where i work it is more often than not me that starts the jokes.......and yes i fully agree if you are comfortable with who you are then no one elses thoughts should matter...but then i do know that people take others feelings to heart.

I feel that if you can laugh at yourself then the world does not seem such a bad place....with all the wars/terrorism that are going on life needs to have something to lighten it.

If I were gay, I might feel the same way. I do not want to hurt anyone.

[Bagoas (imported)]

I can't help wondering, who would choose to be despised, beaten, even murdered ? When I was a teenager, homosexuals were regarded with revulsion. contempt, disgust, and hatred. We had no term for ourselves. Others called us fairies, queers, faggots, pansies, fruits, etc.

Homosexuals were regarded as "the lowest form of animal life." We were coinsidered no better than axe-murderers, perhaps on par with drug fiends or sex fiends, (The world was full of fiends in those days.) As I recall it, no one ever manifested any sympathy or kindness toward homosexuals. (perhaps they didn't dare to.)

Verbal abuse was the mildest form of mistreatment to which homosexuals were subjected. Beatings and murders were very common, and are not exactly rare, today.

Now, then, given that atmosphere of loathing and hatred, Who would CHOOSE to adopt a life-style which would subject him to, at best, derision, at worst torture and murder ? How can any sane person imagine that being homosexual is a CHOICE ? !

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