Castrated Calif. Molester Seeks Freedom

[tugon (imported)]

I wonder what the molester's choice would have been if he knew he would still serve his full sentence if castrated. Did he ask for castration with the thoughts of an early release or genuinely to stop his behavior?

[lindaleah (imported)]

Kelly you are very smart. I wish I had the power to appoint you head of Criminal Rehab.

I am very interested in this subject as I have talked with ex criminals and law enforcement about this subject (crime in general). I've had the opportunity talk in public about this and one of the things I've learned is people do not have a broad view of the problem (a polite way of saying they are ignorant).

I like to tell people who are vindictive and want punishment. WHAT IF IT WAS YOUR LOVED ONE? WHAT IF IT WERE YOU???? Do we as a society want to punish people or HELP them???? What if you in a moment of rage/stupidity you did a bad no no. How would you want to be treated???? Go chew on that one.

It is estimated that 2/3 of people in jail are mentally ill and/ or on drugs (alcohol included). Gangs are also a big problem and a problem that could be solved. Let’s get some help for these people not punishment.

Do you know anyone who got up one morning and said gee I think I want to be a drug addict or be mentally ill and go to jail???

In spite of all I just said I do believe there are some people who should never be out on the street.

Love Lindaleah

[A-1 (imported)]

Great bunch of responses, everyone.

I have several points of clarification that I will ask for when time permits. N3RF, don't take what I said too harshly, I didn't mean it to embarrass you, all I wanted is to see what your feelings on the subject were.

What I hoped that you would bring us was the McMartin molestations (http://www.religioustolerance.org/ra_mcmar.htm) that were an example of municipal social services systems gone mad. Note that the criticism leveled against social services on the site that I posted is from the perspective of a Christian organization. Sometimes, such church systems can also hide perpetrators, but this site I feel is not one of them.

Clearly, the outrage has been over-played in the press to the point of creating paranoid delusions in well-meaning individuals. However, this is NOT to minimize the damage done by pediophiles to children. We have all seen systems to terrorize individuals, guilty or no, and as has been so eloquently pointed out, the key to the success of rehabilitation depend upon effective behavior modification, not on punishment.

Perhaps a system that allows an individual to be placed where they will have no solitary contact with children without an admission of guilt would be the best in these matters, however, legally, such a system violates all sorts of constitutional rights. SO, do not expect to see in society a system that would work the best to prevent these occurrances.

Comments?

A-1

[n3rf (imported)]

No You didn't embarras me, A-1, on the contrary. I appreciate Your bright views and the best part is that You know how to give LINKS to good stuff.. I still havn't learned that part ..Hi When we talk about Sex or Sex Crime in Public I find we or should I say they do not become specific enough by use only "generalizations" that hide the real meaning or the real purpose or the real factual event. When Clintor said he didn't have SEX he was right since what expired was only a sexual game that the adults involved knew only as that. The Semantics of if all becomes so confused and our system allows it to be that fuddled up rather that say, I petted the kid on the head and said I like him or something perfectly normal expression of affection. But when the System starts out with it all it becomes a "implied horrid" act that is never spelled out in sufficient detail to clear the person or the matter. This is what is wrong with that in my view.

If Clinton plays around with his friend and secretary in an adult "non-sex" matter it is their right and does not need to be convoluted by the rest of our system people etc.

So maybe Preachers cannot express friendly relations with children when they are not going over the edge. We will never know unless we specify the situation in sufficient detail to know if it in fact is "over the edge". You A-1 can probably say it better than I what I am driving at. Semantics is all. We have more important matters to procecute is all I am saying. Regards Johan N3RF

[mrt (imported)]

I once thought as RF did. That being that most of these "stories" were made up by kids or people with an agenda. Then we looked into adopting since I'm unable (blown out testes) and the county had a very large supply of children whose parents were being sexual with. These are NOT made up. These kids are scarred for life by the SOBs that molest them. If you think this is all made up I urge you to get in touch with your county adoption of foster care unit and tell them your willing to take in sexualy abused kids. Not many people are btw! BTW I remember asking if these sorts of things were all "made up" at church and had a couple of people take me aside and clue me into the sad reality of this veil of tears we live on.

No, I don't think you will enjoy taking them (Abused kids) to the shrinks weekly and or watching them pee their pants from fear because someone looks like "Daddy or Mommy" and they are worried about getting raped again.

If your worried about tax money to put these people away I understand being a cheapskate myself. When I start thinking that way I try to imagine all these scum bags loose hurting more people and in particular little kids. And I'm talking about 7 and 8 year olds.

This thread about castration of sex criminals is interesting. I know personaly what low hormones feel like and how interest in sex can be driven to zero. Question: Is that "punishment" enough for driving your 8 year old to the boyfriends for a gang rape? If castration is reabilitation how do you test it for success? And I think I can say that with HRT lack of working testicles is no problem with getting a full sex drive back again. Can you avoid the person finding some form of Testosterone to "abuse" so he can reoffend?

More important how many chances do you get to do this again? One of the people involved in this had been convicted three times (and with prepuberty kids) and will be let out relativly soon. What would any of YOU say to the kid and the parents of the next victim?

Frankly I feel very strongly that death is too good for some of these scum. And believe it or not I'm not a bit pro death penalty zealot. I think that the government has too much power already.

Ok, I'm on the soap box - sorry...

[lindaleah (imported)]

Originally Posted by Jesus

For an academic study of the results of castration of sex offenders, see the abstract to Castration in Germany. It reports on a study of 104 men who were voluntarily castrated after conviction for sexual offenses (70% as pedophiles). After release, only 3% were later convicted of a subsequent sexual offense, compared to 46% of the non-castrated control group to whom they were compared.

If the above is true I have no problem with Sex offenders volunteering for castration it will certainly help lower sex crimes

MRT don't apologize for getting on your soap box. It's the one weapon this country has in its arsenal that still works. Communicating with our fellow humans may be the only way the world can be saved.

[n3rf (imported)]

Thanks MRT and A-1. I needed that. But in my view at this moment at least none of these things belong in the Court or Legal system but should somehow be done "privately" or something. The legal system only seems to make it "worse" than it really is. How worse than it is - how do You explain it ?? You NEVER get the real story and no-body wants to know the real story. Even the "damages" are sort of "blown-out-of-Proportion" every time. The people in the White House works under a lot of stress, so what Clinton did with his friends was only an adult game to release stress. I really doubt that Church People who loves young and old would have any intent to HARM anyone. So there goes my - soapbox - of this morning. Stay healthy and be nice to each and everyone .. N3RF

[FianceeUvBigGuy (imported)]

A few years ago, as I was beginning to develop my "castration fascination", or acknowledge it as an outlet for my rage at the creep that tried to rape me as a young teen, I began to wonder how it might be IF castrated offenders were released into the general population.

One of my frequent little daydreams involves castrated creeps being FORCED to leave the relative anonymity of prison so that they might face the world...a world that knows they are ball-less, and WHY!

I realize that, in a society such as ours, my "dream" will not be realized. Still, I feel that those castrated, voluntarily or not, when released, should be permanently marked in some manner that will make their condition known to all that encounter them.

I'm aware that this little rant of mine is not of the lofty and scientific caliber of this thread, but I feel compelled to add it thereto.

Imagine, if you will, being a castrated sex offender, released into the world, and bearing some visible mark, (tattoo?) that makes it impossible for you to masquerade as an intact and non-criminal member of the populace.

Would that factor be sufficient to cause "wanna-be" eunuchs among the prison population to cease their quest for castration? I suspect so, at least in appreciable measure.

Well, that's my Dos centavos worth. I'd elaborate on my wish that such "corrective/punitive" measures be announced and well-publicized, to include the presence of witnesses, but everytime I mention or think of it, I get...ummmm...distracted, LOL!

Cuddles and huggies, and love to all,

Yolanda The Deranged AKA Yoli

(A nice lady in San Antonio)

[A-1 (imported)]

Dear Yoli,

This sounds a bit like The Scarlet Letter (http://www.online-literature.com/hawtho ... letletter/).

What you propose has been done in other circumstances. It is generally not rehabilitation, but punishment. Your story indicates to me that you are justified in your expectation of punishment for those who abused you. However, uniform punishment for all is not only impossible, it is also undesirable. Humanity in all of it's fallibility is not ready to judge itself perfectly.

We expect to be able to make the world better for those who follow us, so that they will not have to suffer in life as we have. This balances with the opinion that others should have to suffer in life AS we have because it is part of the human condition and it is just. The former helps eradicate abuse, and the latter perpetuates abuse. The imperfect system that we have struggles to adjust itself to maintain balance with these two concepts.

PLEASE keep up your input to the forum. Your perspective is needed. IT helps maintain a balance.

THANKS!

A-1

[Taylor (imported)]

Everyone knows my feelings on pedophiles and people that commit sex crimes. Also, my method ensures there are no repeat offenders (a .38 in the back of the head).