Eunuchs who do not want to be eunuchs

[pinquita (imported)]

Some of us, like me, became eunuchs by fate, not by choice. What are your views on that situation ?? Hypothyroidism is the reason I did not develop fully, and, just want to read about you people that are in a similar situation.

[pinquita (imported)]

Hy. I can see that it seems like everyone at this site wants to be an eunuch.

I came here looking for a support group for eunuchs, because I am one, but , not by choice. Am I at the wrong place??

I understand there are people that want to be asexual, and , become eunuchs. It can be a choice, or it can be a malfunction of the body which leads us to this route.

As a result, some of us would like to continue and reinforce our indentity as eunuchs. Some of us would want to correct the malfunction of the body and cease being eunuchs.

What are your thoughts, what is your position, how did you become an eunuch if you are one, and what is your approach, correct the eunuchoidism ?? or accept it and embrace it??

[tugon (imported)]

Hy. I can see that it seems like everyone at this site wants to be an eunuch.

I came here looking for a support group for eunuchs, because I am one, but , not by choice. Am I at the wrong place??

I understand there are people that want to be asexual, and , become eunuchs. It can be a choice, or it can be a malfunction of the body which leads us to this route.

As a result, some of us would like to continue and reinforce our indentity as eunuchs. Some of us would want to correct the malfunction of the body and cease being eunuchs.

What are your thoughts, what is your position, how did you become an eunuch if you are one, and what is your approach, correct the eunuchoidism ?? or accept it and embrace it??

I am sorry I did not respond earlier because as much as you do not want to be a eunuch I wanted to be one. I was surgically castrated because I never felt comfortable as a male and had problems with sex addiction. The sex addiction was ruining my life and might have harmed my health. My physique sounds similar to yours and it was what I wanted. Not so much the weight gain but the lack of body hair and less masculine in appearance. I wish you could be the person you would like to be because I remember the pain when I was not what I wanted to be.

[bagman (imported)]

Pinquita there is an old english saying that bears consideration quote "If you am not what you are the you am not what you is" it may take some understanding but there is a truth in the quotation

[thefraj (imported)]

I would have posted in this thread sooner too Pinquita, except that - exactly as Tugon said - (and as you probably already know) I wanted to be a eunuch. At the time I wasn't thinking "I want to be a eunuch to be asexual". It was more like "I hate these sexual urges, they just arn't me".

Anyway, I was waiting and see if someone else more similar to yourself would contribute. I can guarantee that we have at least some members sign up who were not eunuchs by choice. But responses can vary depending on who is actively reading or feels like posting.

So far as I understand, puberty can occur at any age - not just in the teens (as transsexuals will know!) I would be really intregued to know why taking Thyroid and Testosterone supplaments won't do the trick. Has your doctor not spoken to you about this?

Whatever you choose to do, I hope you can be happy

[JeffEunuch (imported)]

I would have posted in this thread sooner too Pinquita, except that - exactly as Tugon said - (and as you probably already know) I wanted to be a eunuch. At the time I wasn't thinking "I want to be a eunuch to be asexual". It was more like "I hate these sexual urges, they just arn't me"...... I would be really intregued to know why taking Thyroid and Testosterone supplaments won't do the trick. Has your doctor not spoken to you about this?

I'm fairly certain I wouldn't have chosen to be voluntarily castrated if my testicles had developed 'normally' and I'd not been prone to repeated infections of the testicles, notably the epididymis(s). The accumulation of scar tissue eventually resulted in very sensitive balls - and hypogonadism. Congenitally incomplete formation of the abdominal wall has also left me prone to hernias, anywhere between my stomach and the inguinal cavities. Repairing one of those I was initially in disbelief when a urologist told me in my early 20s that I was in for a lifetime of pain and discomfort in the crotch area. I gradually accepted the diagnosis, especially after a couple of trips to emerg from my testicles rising quite high inside the inguinal canals during running pursuits and running into the intestines and after I had sired kids. I had to also ask sex partners to stay away from my testicles. And I had to explain to occasional sexual partners that I had testicles, but they traveled into the inguinal canals when I was sexually excited. The diagnosis of hypogonadism and then ingesting external testosterone sealed the fate of my testicles. While my GP opposed the solution - for aesthetic reasons, even he admitted there was no medical urgency for keeping them.

Having had my balls harvested, I've since discovered that a lot o' guys are in worse shape than me with other glanular problems, mostly thyroid and prostate issues. With the assist of HRT, I function totally 'normally,' and I no longer have any pain or discomfort in the groin area.

[pinquita (imported)]

I would have posted in this thread sooner too Pinquita, except that - exactly as Tugon said - (and as you probably already know) I wanted to be a eunuch. At the time I wasn't thinking "I want to be a eunuch to be asexual". It was more like "I hate these sexual urges, they just arn't me".

Anyway, I was waiting and see if someone else more similar to yourself would contribute. I can guarantee that we have at least some members sign up who were not eunuchs by choice. But responses can vary depending on who is actively reading or feels like posting.

So far as I understand, puberty can occur at any age - not just in the teens (as transsexuals will know!) I would be really intregued to know why taking Thyroid and Testosterone supplaments won't do the trick. Has your doctor not spoken to you about this?

Whatever you choose to do, I hope you can be happy

Thefraj.

Thanks for your reply. I understand the events that lead you to choose eunuchoidism. I do not judge you nor anybody and respect your decision. I think we are the opposite side of the coin, while you had normal development and chose to change, I did not have normal development, and wish I did.

About puberty and timeframes, puberty starts at about 12 y / age, and ends at about 17 y of age. What it means by "ends", it means that the growing, development, the potential to grow in size and in substance ( like a man and a woman, ea developeing their bodies in line w their sex, hips in women, soft skin in women, broad shoulders in men, narrow hips...etc and heaight, lenght of bones etc) ... is closed. The long bones of the body grow only up to this time in which your center of the bones, closes up. Your bones grow because the center adds more material at this center, so both ends separate and separate, untill this area solidifies and you can grow no more. Same happens w every organ of the body, hearth, lungs, intestines, penis, vagina , etc.....so when puberty ends, it means you can not change what you are at the time of closure, your fate is sealed.

You will change as you grow older, but only change , not grow, no more development.

Thyroid, testosterone, and other hormones will have some effect on you if administered after puberty, but it will only be like maintenance, but you will not be able to modify what was already built up untill your 17th B day. If given thyroid or testosterone or whatever hormone your body is deficient about...at a time prior to the closure time, it will still be able to promote development and growth. The optimum time to start treatment is at 12 to 13 years of age. The later the treatment, the less efective the changes. So if someone discovers he has hypogonadism, and receives therapy at 16 y of age, there will only be about one years's time to change the situation...so the effects will be less dramatic.

Logically, if no treatment is given and puberty closes, there is nothing that science can do today. Perhaps in 100 years, there will be ways to re open that channel, or perhaps there will be monitoring to avoid someone going undetected. What makes me sad, is that, the only time we can do something about it, is when we are young and have no knowledge nor preparation to deal with and treat the situation. We are in the hands of the adults in our lives, and if this adults are ignorant, irresponsible, addicts, unfit parents, or plain cold turkey parents, we get screwed.

By the time I said, something is wrong, I have to see someone, by then, I was told, too late....and I still remember the words of the doctor, telling me, if you would had come here before you turned 17, I would had made you a superman....but there is nothing we can do now......

I felt like the world split open at my feet.... I felt like there was no reason to remain "in the race"... I felt miserable ever since.

Just to make an analogy, if you are having your home built, and, construction begins.....theoretically you have only up untill the home is being build to try any changes and structural alterations. If you go on a vacation to Europe while your hme is been done, and you come back 9 mos after, and find the home ready ,painted and waitng for your furniture, and then you decide you do not like the roof, the height of the bedrooms, the size of the garage....well.....too late.

Still a house could be torn down....usualy it is not done though. With our bodies, there is no tearing down, you keep this "home" untill the end of your life.

I try to deal w it, but it is hard. To know that there was somnething that could had been done, it is not like I was sealed and made to order like this, but there was something that could had been done....and that lost chance is gone.....hurts.

I respect your point of view. Perhaps we are the exact opposite of the coin. When I see a woman, and, I think, she is off limits, life has put a fence in front of me, I can only look at her, but I will never be able to cross that fence, that makes me feel bad. At least you had a chance to choose, I had none. I am happy for you, because, nobody should go through the life I have, I am glad people are happy and find what they want.

Well...I guess I am drifting to another area, thank you for your response, and, I will keep existing, here at the basement of the world, things keep moving too.

[pinquita (imported)]

I'm fairly certain I wouldn't have chosen to be voluntarily castrated if my testicles had developed 'normally' and I'd not been prone to repeated infections of the testicles, notably the epididymis(s). The accumulation of scar tissue eventually resulted in very sensitive balls - and hypogonadism. Congenitally incomplete formation of the abdominal wall has also left me prone to hernias, anywhere between my stomach and the inguinal cavities. Repairing one of those I was initially in disbelief when a urologist told me in my early 20s that I was in for a lifetime of pain and discomfort in the crotch area. I gradually accepted the diagnosis, especially after a couple of trips to emerg from my testicles rising quite high inside the inguinal canals during running pursuits and running into the intestines and after I had sired kids. I had to also ask sex partners to stay away from my testicles. And I had to explain to occasional sexual partners that I had testicles, but they traveled into the inguinal canals when I was sexually excited. The diagnosis of hypogonadism and then ingesting external testosterone sealed the fate of my testicles. While my GP opposed the solution - for aesthetic reasons, even he admitted there was no medical urgency for keeping them.

Having had my balls harvested, I've since discovered that a lot o' guys are in worse shape than me with other glanular problems, mostly thyroid and prostate issues. With the assist of HRT, I function totally 'normally,' and I no longer have any pain or discomfort in the groin area.

Sorry to hear that. But I wish the best to you.

[A-1 (imported)]

pinquita,

you say

By the time I said, something is wrong, I have to see someone, by then, I was told, too late....and I still remember the words of the doctor, telling me, if you would had come here before you turned 17, I would had made you a superman....but there is nothing we can do now......

I cannot accept this. If you are androgen insensitive, or you body lacks the chemicals to uptake androgens then this was a lie to begin with. He could have dumped testosterone into you in immense amounts and your body would just fail to uptake it. You need to find somebody who knows what they are doing. You need a specialist's specialtist.

You need to seek better medical advice. I am not sure that this is what you have, but start here. (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=pr ... gle+Search)

If this is not what you have the look here (http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articl ... id=1288342) to try to find out what fits your situation the best.

This site (http://medlib.med.utah.edu/kw/human_rep ... ar1B1.html) might be of some help.

You need to seek a teaching medical facility. You might be helped if you find doctors who are researchers and professors.

IT is worth a try.

Somewhere out there somebody can help you. Please try to find them.

A-1

[SplitDik (imported)]

Pinquita,

As A-1 says, unless you are seriously androgen insensitive, taking testosterone now will still transform your body!

Just look at any female bodybuilders (http://www.genexmagazine.com/genex/FTVn ... 17_jpg.jpg) and female-to-male transexuals!

While you are right that you might never be able to recreate the full effects of puberty, you can still grow stronger jaw line, leaner, bigger muscles, denser bones, deeper voice and facial hair (even male pattern baldness). Not to mention the raging hard-ons that have prompted us sex addicts to entirely wish we were asexual.

Lastly, the human condition is that the grass always seems greener on the other side. Hopefully even discussion with those who have been castrated by choice will help you see the advantages of your condition.