Spandones and Thilibiae
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germar (imported)
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Spandones and Thilibiae
There had been three prominent formes of castration in ancient Rome. The castrati had their penis and their testicals cut off by a knife. The spandones had their testicals ruptured and the thilibiae had their testicals crushed. The thilibiae had been prefered by some Roman women as lovers, because they were able to penetrate but had been unable to father any children. Does anybody know any details about the procedure and the instruments with which the spandones and thilibiae had been castrated? And, is it medically possible to crush the testcals, so they become infertile but still produce enough hormon to keep the thilitbiae potent compared to the spandones?
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Gerslave (imported)
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Re: Spandones and Thilibiae
The right word is spadone, so without the 'n' in the beginning. With google You'll find some descriptions about, but rarely about the used instruments
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C van D (imported)
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Re: Spandones and Thilibiae
The correct spelling for the other term is "Thlibiae" from the Greek "to squeeze". There is plenty of stuff in EA about them. They had their testicles crushed as infants; their bodies re-absorbed the tissue so that they grew up without. These boys would (probably) have been sexually inert and consequently of little interest to girls!
Aged about 11 at my boarding prep school there was a lot of speculation about castrating boys, which was generally held to be quite "on the cards" though no one could name names. The consensus was that boys had their testicles taken right out under local anaesthetic, though I do recall a lone voice saying "They prick a boy's balls, don't they, and then they dry up". The moot point on which no one could agree was (1) whether the boy's penis continued to grow and (2) whether he could still get erections.
Likewise "spadones" is from the Greek "spao" pronounced spay-oh. Nothing to do with spaying. The verb means "to draw, or drag". Practised on pre-teen boys the scrotum was pulled downwards until the spermatic cords broke.
I don't know where Germar got the idea that thlibiae were capable of penetrative sex. If he reads Juvenal Satire VI he'll get the right idea. Roman girls had their favourite slaves castrated AFTER puberty when they retained the ability to get erections so long as they remained fit and well. Since they couldn't get orgasms they could "shag" for a long time and there was - naturally - no risk of pregnancy.
These were definitely not "thlibiae" as I've explained. It was in the reign of Domitian (AD 81-96) not the most humane of men, that the minimum age for castrating boys was raised to 7. This is way past the age for making "thlibiae" and the assumption is that these youngsters lost their testicles, though not their penises, in the classical Greek way. Herodotus is quite explicit on this point: Hermotimus and all the thousands of pre-teen boys destined for the Eastern market underwent "ektomé" (the final E is long) which translates "cutting out".
This has echoes, again in Juvenal Satire VI:-
"Slave-dealers' boys are different, pathetically weak,
"Ashamed of their empty bag, their little lost chick-peas". No mention of losing their penises.
The inference is that the boys in question were not able to "do it" following their operation, but this wasn't a foregone conclusion. Elsewhere in this forum I've referred to the story of Bukhayt, the First Eunuch, who loses his balls at age 12 but goes on screwing the girl for years!
Aged about 11 at my boarding prep school there was a lot of speculation about castrating boys, which was generally held to be quite "on the cards" though no one could name names. The consensus was that boys had their testicles taken right out under local anaesthetic, though I do recall a lone voice saying "They prick a boy's balls, don't they, and then they dry up". The moot point on which no one could agree was (1) whether the boy's penis continued to grow and (2) whether he could still get erections.
Likewise "spadones" is from the Greek "spao" pronounced spay-oh. Nothing to do with spaying. The verb means "to draw, or drag". Practised on pre-teen boys the scrotum was pulled downwards until the spermatic cords broke.
I don't know where Germar got the idea that thlibiae were capable of penetrative sex. If he reads Juvenal Satire VI he'll get the right idea. Roman girls had their favourite slaves castrated AFTER puberty when they retained the ability to get erections so long as they remained fit and well. Since they couldn't get orgasms they could "shag" for a long time and there was - naturally - no risk of pregnancy.
These were definitely not "thlibiae" as I've explained. It was in the reign of Domitian (AD 81-96) not the most humane of men, that the minimum age for castrating boys was raised to 7. This is way past the age for making "thlibiae" and the assumption is that these youngsters lost their testicles, though not their penises, in the classical Greek way. Herodotus is quite explicit on this point: Hermotimus and all the thousands of pre-teen boys destined for the Eastern market underwent "ektomé" (the final E is long) which translates "cutting out".
This has echoes, again in Juvenal Satire VI:-
"Slave-dealers' boys are different, pathetically weak,
"Ashamed of their empty bag, their little lost chick-peas". No mention of losing their penises.
The inference is that the boys in question were not able to "do it" following their operation, but this wasn't a foregone conclusion. Elsewhere in this forum I've referred to the story of Bukhayt, the First Eunuch, who loses his balls at age 12 but goes on screwing the girl for years!