Biblical Clarifications...

[Riverwind (imported)]

And what kind of GOD would you be???

I think you see my point.

[jcat (imported)]

I guess it is hard to avoid GOD on EA because for some becoming or being a eunuch is a religious raison d'être.

My own view about leadership be it divine or political is that you lead by example. It is the servant concept, not elevation but humility. Something that as you may realise from my posts I struggle with! For this reason I find Jesus (not our Jesus!) so compelling. His words are to me, amazing. Putting aside all the trappings of religion and power!

For such a sinful soul as myself I find his 2 commandment message a lot easier than all the other stuff: Love God, Love your neighbor or as interpreted by Augustine "Love God and do what you want!"

How can you love and do all the terrible things that we do to each other?

The problem with all this is that the inevitable challenge of love says " So what the f**k were we supposed to do about Hitler?" (classic example) and then the whole debate of the lesser of two evils kicks in. I for one am immensely grateful for all the heroes that gave their lives to defeat that evil.

But who determines what is evil?

It is such a minefield!

[jcat (imported)]

And what kind of GOD would you be???

I think you see my point.

River, I would be the one holding your hand when you are suffering.

[fhunter]

And what kind of GOD would you be???

I think you see my point.

I see your point. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. And you can't make everyone happy.

... And he became omnipotent. He could do everything. And he could do nothing. Cause the limiting factor of The Equation of Perfection was the requirement that miracle didn't make any harm. No harm to any sentient being. Be it on Earth or in any other part of the Universe. And such miracle no one, even he, could not imagine. He left magic for good and became a head of tech support department.(I omitted the name, cause I can't adequately translate the wordplay on names of 3 gods).

[Paolo]

I find Jesus (not our Jesus!) so compelling. His words are to me, amazing. Putting aside all the trappings of religion and power!

That's just the problem - so many people that claim to be Christian don't remember Jesus' words.

And what did he do, we're told?

Served free lunch. Gave out free health care. Gave out free wine. Said to love one another.

Good grief, we can't have that!

[YodaNell (imported)]

OK, let's go full circle. Allow me venture my understanding regarding transgirl23ny post when she started this thread.

Frankly, I don't understand why people read the Old Testament. The "Law" was given by Moses, NOT God. God (YHVH), gave Moses the 10 Commandments on the mountain. The "Law" was given to the Israelites to govern them in the wilderness and typically the Lawyers (Teachers of the Law) added and amended the LAW of Moses after the Isrealites entered the promised land.(I believe the Muslim teachers also added and amended most of the Koran as well)

Now, I'm sure Moses and Jesus (Angel of YHVH) discussed the LAW in the tent where Moses met with the LORD.

Many times the Son of God (Jesus) himself referred to the Law of Moses:

* "...Has not Moses given you the law? Yet not one of you keeps the law..."

and

* "...But go, show yourself to the priest and offer the gift Moses commanded..."

* "...Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives..."

*"...The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat..."

* "...For Moses said, 'Honor your father and your mother..."

* "...What did Moses command you?" he replied.

* "...When the time of their purification according to the Law of Moses had been completed..."

Jesus nullified the Law of MOSES and not the 10 Commandments ("...I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished..."). Now some will say that Law is the Law of Moses.

Not at all, Jesus quoted from the 10 Commandments by saying:"...'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'

All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments..."

Thus, the Law of Moses and prophets were supposed to reflect the Law of Jesus (10 Commandments), but it failed. Jesus actually had to come to us to correct the Law. He proved it, taught it, healed by it and was judged by the Law of Moses...DEATH!! Death, THAT is the Law of Moses!

Christians might even go to hell for trying to uphold the LAW OF MOSES. Jesus instructed us to obey HIS LAW (commandments) which are written throughout the New Testament.

Jesus ordered...

"Moses said 'Do not commit adultery.'

but I say..."[Placing His law above Moses' Law and authority] that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

"A new command (Law) I give you... (The REAL Law in the NT)

So, there is the LAW given by MOSES (for the Jews) and the LAW given by CHRIST (for the Christians).

Fellow Christians, read the Old Testament for your own edification, but be careful of the law of MOSES. Jesus instructed the Apostles by laying out/interpreting/explaining the Old Testament and the Apostles in turn created the New Testament through their letters and writings to the churches. Jesus fulfilled that law and corrected all the "wrongly interpreted" parts in the Law, such as these examples:

Moses stoning to death vs Love and forgive

Moses smite cheek vs offer the other cheek

Law of Moses creates hypocrisy vs Jesus' law of meekness, honesty, love.

...and so I can carry on but read Matthew 5 & 6. Write the NEW TESTAMENT on your hearts, NOT the OLD TESTAMENT.

St. Paul also said that if you want to obey THE LAW OF MOSES...BECOME A JEW AND do what we all desire on this archive!

Here is his words:"...Brothers, if I am still preaching circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been abolished. As for those agitators [people who persecuted St. Paul for preaching against the circumcision (metaphor for the Law)], I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!..." How's THAT!!?? Paul says obey the Law of Moses and become a NULLO!

If you want to obey the LAW of Moses, HE (Moses) will continuously accuse you [regarding disobedience of his law] before God as you endeavour to live the Law. You won't (trying to live Moses' Law) live under the grace of Jesus (and His Law). Jesus even said so!..."...But do not think I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, on whom your hopes are set (by obeying his LAW)..."

OK River...NOW you can close this threat if you want to.

[Riverwind (imported)]

Just what we needed, a sermon on a soapbox. No I won't close the thread however, if you post another like the last I will just delete it, the thread stays open.

Paolo you are right, Jesus talked about FREE stuff. without being political because we don't do that anymore, but I think Jesus, not ours the other one would be a democrat, I know what our Jesus is.

[Uncle Flo (imported)]

This is becoming far too close to a theological point-counterpoint for my taste. Regardless of Riverwind's opinions I reserve the right to take action as I see fit. --FLO--

[YodaNell (imported)]

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I reserve the right to take action as I see fit. --FLO--

What do you mean Uncle Flo?

You know, I see all of us as friends (and a brothers/Sisters). I've come to know many of the people on this forum over the years just by reading the posts and profiles. I respect everyone's opinions on this board, whether I agree or not. That's the idea of a board like this...otherwise a person can start a threat and we all answer in 300 threads beneath his thread just "Yes!" or "No!". How boring would this forum then be. We share our opinions and experiences.

Why is it that If someone (specially impartial moderator(s)) who does not like the content or agree to a topic, have the god-complex to threaten a fellow member and just end a thread where like-minded people enjoy debating a subject. For pages this topic was allowed to be discussed, but as soon as I give my opinion, there is this itch to close a thread. This has happened before.

I still say that, short from vulgarity, profanity, racism and other rude topics, a moderator should not inject rude remarks or close a threat while other eunuchs enjoy chatting to each other. There are many topics discussed here that are truly vulgar or unfit to talk in general civilised society...I would love it to have a red button to close threads that I do not like, but when I scope through the topic headers and see topics that doesn't interest me, I just skip right over it and read another one. Nobody is forcing anyone to read a topic.

Moderators should not be biased in deciding the contents of topics. We all know that there are lots of different things discussed here on EU and not just castration and penectomy. EVERYTHING is allowed to be discussed except religion...WHY?

[Riverwind (imported)]

Actually there are two subjects that are ban, religion and politics, and for good reason. If the subject is religious in nature as to a discussion in general I would say so be it, when one starts quoting chapter and verse as the law then there is another issue, its a delicate balance at best, ugly at worst. With that in mind we as mods on this site are charged with the task of sorting that out. Many of us feel the effort is just to volatile, leads to arguments and hard feelings.

We are at our best when we leave sports, politics and religion at home where they belong.

Example:

Go Pack. (all my friends who are Vikings fans will understand that one.)

Tom did nothing wrong. (reference to deflate gate)

My god is better then your god. (Stating that one religion is better then another)

The GOP are a bunch, The Dem's are a bunch. (I lump these last two together its the ying and yang of politics which we eliminated a few years ago for the good of the site.)

The biggest problem with religion is that no two people believe in a religion the same way, ask any two Baptist the same question and see what I mean.

I hope you understand what I getting at, religion is more explosive a topic then politics?

This is a self help castration, transgender, and other sexual preferences kind of site, we are at our best when we stick to those subjects and leave the others for other sites.

I hope I answered your question.