Eunuch.org and BME about to become illegal in UK?

[may172001 (imported)]

Sadly I have to say that you will be wrong if my experience with the Police is anything to go by (currently awaiting possible trial) just for what I have in my brain- really doing me in! Unfortunately this once proud Nation has made itself the laughing stock of Europe and the rest of the World with it's outdated and ridiculous Obscenity Laws, UK citizens can be put in prison for the most menial of charges (including mine) only last week some chap was given a suspended sentence for lying about a Qualification for a job, and other blokes like me are already serving terms in prison because they just want to look at nude photographs of children innocently posing without any kind of sexual activity- absolutely crazy! At least the US has got the First (?) amendment, our Bill of Human Rights is blatantly ignored as our bloody Government actively seeks to populate our already overcrowded prisons.

I wish I could share your enthusiasm to "fight for Rights" but it is already a lost cause - this so called consultation exercise (this Government has a long record of consultation- equally long record of ignoring the results) and NO ONE will grasp the nettle to defend our beliefs. Amsterdam has always been a shining example to the rest of Europe whereas Britain has to be the worse by far.

What I also said was that the censorship of BME and like sites has already started, it is impossible to subscribe to the BME site now, the UK pulls the plug with the one hand and debates the issue with the other.

I will give you one example of how stupid the UK censorship has become. Some while ago I purchased from a High Street Store an illustrated book for children on sex and growing up, quite charming and quite innocent as you might expect. The British Authoress is very well known in the UK and frequently appears on TV. However I happened to work in France for a week and when visiting a French Supermarket noticed the SAME book but in French. The pictures however were different and far more revealing especially in detailed genitalia of the boy and girl involved, an absolutely beautiful book- presumably if the book had been discovered in my possession at the Port, I could have been arrested- now HOW CRAZY (and depressing) IS THAT??

Sorry to be so negative, but I fear things are going to get worse rather than any better.

Cheers

Quillman UK

I agree what are things comming to?

[polecat (imported)]

Also, there is definitely porn being made that exploits people. Very few of the women actually enjoy what they're doing (I know quite a few because Vancouver is actually one of the largest porn producing cities in the world).

Hey, a job's a job, right? I'd sure enjoy getting paid, if not the business itself. I think anything you do over a hundred times a year can start to get pretty tedious, regardless of how fun and exciting it is for most people. Do what you're satisfied with, what makes you feel useful I say. If that's porn, then gung ho.

So society does have a right to (a) put edgy stuff in an out of the way place and (b) enforce anti-exploitation.

I don't agree with (a), but (b) is definitely true. My biggest worry with illegal obscenity is that they target the wrong people. Plus it's kind of a double standard. Can I possess a picture of kids getting sliced apart by exploding shrapnel? But not one of a dog's thingy going off? And how do you connect 'possess' with 'support'? People who honestly want to be rid of these things have to have possessed and observed them to make that judgement, right?

I say, the crime comes from supporting exploitive activities. Possession doesn't matter, since the pictures themselves can do no more harm. What you download off the net doesn't matter: it doesn't help the criminals at all. What you pay to download though, and where you put your money does matter. If we must discourage taboo sex, we should follow the money, not the communication.

And really... if we would condemn and persecute people who through loan sharking, opportunist real estate extortion rackets, and price fixing forced people into poverty and slavery, then that would fix the problem of people forced into sexual things against their will right there. Empower the whores, and you'll see the ones who are in the wrong industry, leaving to do other things that actually give them job satisfaction.

[Patient (imported)]

I say, the crime comes from supporting exploitive activities. Possession doesn't matter, since the pictures themselves can do no more harm. What you download off the net doesn't matter: it doesn't help the criminals at all. What you pay to download though, and where you put your money does matter. If we must discourage taboo sex, we should follow the money, not the communication. . . Empower the whores, and you'll see the ones who are in the wrong industry leaving to do other things that actually give them job satisfaction.

You are really very close to the truth here, polecat, congatulations! There are two classes of criminals here: the people who do the exploitation and the people who finance it. The latter provide part of the motive and all of the profit of the former. In a primitive but just society they would both be hanged. In the present society they often escape because "it's too hard" to catch and prosecute them.

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[Paolo]

Q.,

You're right in that things are probably going to get worse.

Historically, however, they can only get SO bad before they swing back in the other direction, which Jesus here on the Boards reminded me of the other night.

Small comfort? Yeah, for us...considering we'll be dead before it happens, it would seem.

[thefraj (imported)]

Okay folks, I suppose to clarify, our problem is this:

This new legislation (still under debate until December 2nd!) is directed towards "violent" and "extreme" "pornography"

(it may surprise some to learn) A typical dictionary definition of "pornography" is :

Sexually explicit pictures, writing, or other material whose primary purpose is to cause sexual arousal.

So technically - with the stories we have, we do host pornography here (even if only on a technicality!). And let's be honest, castrating someone with all the blood and stuff, is fairly extreme (not to mention violent). And it is primarily written for sexual arousal.

So it's fair to say we have all the necessary points for our UK members to become targets

But will we? I'm not so sure anymore. Proving intention will be very difficult in a non-communist state, and the Liberal Democrats have voiced concerns already over the wordings and definitions which (let's be honest!) are fairly flimsy at best.

Those who know me, know that I do get worked up over the smallest things ... but I really don' know here!

...Am I worrying for no reason?

~Rog

The politically paranoid eunuch

[plix (imported)]

Hey, a job's a job, right? I'd sure enjoy getting paid, if not the business itself. I think anything you do over a hundred times a year can start to get pretty tedious, regardless of how fun and exciting it is for most people. Do what you're satisfied with, what makes you feel useful I say. If that's porn, then gung ho.

I don't agree with (a), but (b) is definitely true. My biggest worry with illegal obscenity is that they target the wrong people. Plus it's kind of a double standard. Can I possess a picture of kids getting sliced apart by exploding shrapnel? But not one of a dog's thingy going off? And how do you connect 'possess' with 'support'? People who honestly want to be rid of these things have to have possessed and observed them to make that judgement, right?

I say, the crime comes from supporting exploitive activities. Possession doesn't matter, since the pictures themselves can do no more harm. What you download off the net doesn't matter: it doesn't help the criminals at all. What you pay to download though, and where you put your money does matter. If we must discourage taboo sex, we should follow the money, not the communication.

And really... if we would condemn and persecute people who through loan sharking, opportunist real estate extortion rackets, and price fixing forced people into poverty and slavery, then that would fix the problem of people forced into sexual things against their will right there. Empower the whores, and you'll see the ones who are in the wrong industry, leaving to do other things that actually give them job satisfaction.

I like you. I like you a lot

[polecat (imported)]

You are really very close to the truth here, polecat, congatulations! There are two classes of criminals here: the people who do the exploitation and the people who finance it. The latter provide part of the motive and all of the profit of the former. In a primitive but just society they would both be hanged. In the present society they often escape because "it's too hard" to catch and prosecute them..

I'm not really of the faith that a primitive society would be all that much better, but you do have a point. Except unlike that primitive society, with laws like this one being passed in the UK, the people who do the exploitation, the people who finance it, and the people who witness the crime are all hanged on the same tree.

[(db) (imported)]

On 1st Oct thefraj wrote;-

So it's fair to say we have all the necessary points for our UK members to become targets

From a personal point of view (that has nothing to do with me being UK located) I wish to state that I have been disgusted at stories published relating to;-

a) the non-medical castration of minors

b) the willful first tense activity of adults mutilating other adults, as opposed to individuals reporting their past experience

I hit the BACK button as soon as I see 'minor', 'death' etc. but - I should have been given that choice before I clicked to download because by then it is too late !!!!!

The Forums of eunuch.org are quite different in nature to the Story Archives, and it is the memberships indulgence in uncensored and sexually arousing stories that will put UK downloaders at risk.

If the law becomes passed I will be obliged to clear my computer of all communications related to this site and reformat my hard-drive, for the way that the British system isolates individuals to prevent movements from establishing progressive change cannot be beaten, and anyone who disagrees is simply putting themselves up for public prosecution.

Witness the treatment of two defenceless UK pensioners who had nothing to lose by making reasonable protest; one jailed, the other roughly manhandled and 'questioned' by Police.

This would be an easy one for the UK Government to enforce. Besides eunuchs are 'treatable', and that means medical evidence would be easy to obtain !

[austere (imported)]

I feel it's like the poem written by Pastor Martin Niemöller in the Second World War:

Quote:

First they came for the Jews

and I did not speak out

because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the Communists

and I did not speak out

because I was not a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists

and I did not speak out

because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for me

and there was no one left

to speak out for me.

This is a very interesting poem. Thanks for sharing.

And speaking of illegal / banned things...

Sterilization (vasectomy, tubal ligation), as well as a castration are a crime where I live. A surgeon who'd perform it for someone who just wants to become sterile/eunuch (not because of some serious injury,etc.), could even go to gaol.

Yes, the common freedom... within the obsolete, narrow regulations.

[Paolo]

From a personal point of view (that has nothing to do with me being UK located) I wish to state that I have been disgusted at stories published relating to;-

a) the non-medical castration of minors

b) the willful first tense activity of adults mutilating other adults, as opposed to individuals reporting their past experience

I hit the BACK button as soon as I see 'minor', 'death' etc. but - I should have been given that choice before I clicked to download because by then it is too late !!!!!

I'm confused. You do read stories, but only in the third person tense, and not involving minors? Personally, straight sex makes me ill, but we all have our preferences. I agree that it would be nice to be able to see the tags of the story before you download the whole body, however, the title field is simply not long enough for that. That, and posters have enough trouble hitting the tags already!

The Forums of eunuch.org are quite different in nature to the Story Archives, and it is the memberships indulgence in uncensored and sexually arousing stories that will put UK downloaders at risk.

Good grief, somebody realized this! Someone knows the difference between the serious discussions and the Fiction Archive! I'll be happy for the rest of the day now - thank you.

If the law becomes passed I will be obliged to clear my computer of all communications related to this site and reformat my hard-drive, for the way that the British system isolates individuals to prevent movements from establishing progressive change cannot be beaten, and anyone who disagrees is simply putting themselves up for public prosecution.

I'm assuming that in the UK you just can't walk down to the corner store and buy a dozen guns at once and several cases of ammo, and pure black powder is probably off the menu as well?

All this time, we laughed at the Communists, hated the Nazis, and still wage wars on other countries because we don't like THEIR oppressive forms of government. Hello? Talk about the pot and the kettle calling one another black?! Yet even now, the US and the UK stand poised to become something far more oppressive, it would seem. How ironic, and sickening to boot. We'll spread freedom all over the world, we will...there just won't be enough of it left for those AT HOME.

Personally, my thoughts on the matter are - if I'm going to jail for being an Enemy of the State, then I'm also going to jail for murder, because there will be a string of dead bodies all around me when they finally come. As "Dad" always said (he's a retired state policeman), "If you're gonna go down, go down for something really big! And always remember, empty the clip the first time."

It's just sad that we all can't agree to make ME the absolute the Dictator of the Planet.