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http://www.comcast.net/images/pixelclear.gifPrices Skyrocket on Scarce Flu Shots http://www.comcast.net/images/pixelclear.gif

2 hours agohttp://www.comcast.net/images/pixelclear.gif By DANIEL YEE, Associated Press Writerhttp://www.comcast.net/images/pixelclear.gif

- Caught off-guard by a last-minute flu vaccine shortage, hospitals and health officials are grappling with a side-effect perhaps more virulent than the bug itself: price gouging.

Around the country, officials say some vaccine suppliers are trying to cash in on the flu shot shortage by hiking up prices for hospitals and pharmacies. A recent survey found that the vaccine is sometimes being offered for 10 times its original value.

"Shame on the people who are price-gouging," said Dr. Julie Gerberding, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. "There's no room for this kind of behavior in an environment where we need to pull together as a country to protect our vulnerable populations."

Federal prosecutors could use a variety of fraud, conspiracy and other charges to pursue individuals or companies thought to be engaging in price-gouging. Some states are taking their own action.

Attorneys general in Kansas and Florida are suing Fort Lauderdale, Fla.-based Meds-Stat for allegedly trying to seek "unconscionable profits" by offering pharmacies flu shots for prices way above normal.

Connecticut officials have received numerous complaints about price gouging, state Attorney General Richard Blumenthal said. He said his office is investigating and may announce action against some flu shot providers as early as Thursday.

Blumenthal said the high prices hurt the elderly, the ill and the young _ those recommended for flu shots: "Obviously the shortage of a vaccine combined with these very alarming abuses make these people victims twice over because they lack the vaccine and they may be price-gouged."

The nationwide scramble for the vaccine was triggered when Chiron Corp. _ one of two firms that make the vaccine _ announced it would be unable to provide the estimated 48 million shots expected this year. That's nearly half the supply federal health officials had counted on.

The remaining firm, Aventis Pasteur, can't make more vaccine in time for the flu season and it has only about 55.4 million doses available for this season, simply not enough to go around. The government is negotiating with other vaccine makers in hopes of shaking loose a bit more.

When a flu shot leaves the factory, Aventis charges $8.50 for it, and the company says it has not raised the price since Chiron's announcement. But prices easily can rise under the existing distribution system, which allows vaccines to travel from manufacturer to middleman before it reaches a hospital or doctor's office. Those inflated costs are then passed on to consumers.

A recent survey by the American Society of Health-Systems Pharmacists indicated that the price of the vaccine went up more than four times the original market value. In some cases, the survey showed, the vaccine is being offered at $800 or more per 10-dose vial, which is more than 10 times the original value.

"There are companies out there that buy up and speculate on drugs that they think are at short supply and turn around and resell them at 10 to 100 times the mark up," said Bryant Herring, assistant pharmacy director for Wellmont Health System in Kingsport, Tenn., which has declined flu shot offers ranging from $65 to $100 a dose.

"It drives up health care costs and also limits the availability for patients who may not be able to afford it or need it most," Herring added.

In Wichita, Kan., officials at Wesley Medical Center needed 2,800 flu shots, but their supplier couldn't provide them. Plenty of other distributors were ready to meet his needs, though _ for a price: as much as $600 for a vial of 10 flu shots that normally costs around $80.

With no other choices, Jack Bond, the hospital's pharmacy director, said he thought about paying that price "as a last resort." Fortunately, other health providers in the area came to the rescue, sharing their supplies.

The sudden nationwide crunch also may have inspired thieves to swipe 60 boxes of vaccine _ enough for 620 children _ from a suburban Denver medical office. Hospitals in Colorado have been offered vaccine for about $100 a shot.

As one remedy to problems caused by the shortage, the CDC and Aventis announced Tuesday a plan to redistribute the company's remaining shots directly to pediatricians, nursing homes and other places that care for high-risk patients.

"The new distribution plan... will minimize price-gouging because it will keep the vaccine out of that rather diffuse distribution system of professional distributors and sub-distributors," said vaccine expert Dr. William Schaffner, chairman of preventive medicine at Vanderbilt University in Nashville, Tenn.

It also will provide a shot in the arm to areas completely devoid of the vaccine.

"You can't get a flu shot at any price in Nashville _ they're gone," Schaffner lamented.

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On the Net:

CDC: http://www.cdc.gov/flu (http://www.cdc.gov/flu)

American Society of Health-Systems Pharmacists: http://www.ashp.org (http://www.ashp.org/)

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Robby (imported) wrote: Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:31 am Caught off-guard by a last-minute flu vaccine shortage, hospitals and health officials are grappling with a side-effect perhaps more virulent than the bug itself: price gouging. Around the country, officials say some vaccine suppliers are trying to cash in on the flu shot shortage by hiking up prices for hospitals and pharmacies. A recent survey found that the vaccine is sometimes being offered for 10 times its original value.

The development is not good for Americans.

I feel a need to interject a slightly off-topic comment at this point. I happened to watch the debate between the 2 leading US presidential candidates from Tempe, AZ, last eve. I noted once again in response to Kerry's proposal for health care reform, the President maintained that a national health insurance plan would lead to poor care and rationing.

Not necessarily true. While macro health care decisions become more political when they must be made by governments and legislatures, that's probably superior to private boardrooms. And as it happens in this case, I'm not aware of a flu vaccine shortage in Canada or other countries. I obtain mine annually free of charge from my employer. At the gay clinic at which I attend, I think the charge is $20.
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Dear friends of EA. I was reading the above about the flue shots and gouging etc and thought I add another avenue that may be familliar to some of you:

Collodial Silver in extremely low teaspoon dozes 3 times aday kills off the broad spectrum of bugs (260) while flue shots I read only covers a few types of bugs.

I followed the subject of collodial silver , where on drop of distilled water contains 130 million silver particles. To only other thing you have to do is eat some yogurt or butter milk to keep the good bugs happy.

I make my own and bought the power plug and those two ultra pure silver rods from http://www.waynegreen.com who also have an interesting book called "Secret Guide to Health" for $20 bucks. http://www.natural-immunogenics.com makes the super quality of Collodial silver but I use the kit for 20 minutes for 20 ppm and I provide myself and my wife with the liquid to last a week. Silver has been used for tousands of years as an antibiotic but I think the Collodial Version is something new, at least I think so. Best wishes from Johan-in-Washington, n3rf@earthlink.net There is a lot more info on the web if you search there. Lots.
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Good lord. Wayne Green is still alive?

Wow.

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Atleast he SAYS he's alive. OK, conspiracy fans go to town! FLO
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I don't know about colloidial silver, but silver halide won't do sh*t for you. Most photo lab workers absorb a great deal of this stuff out of the chemicals over time, and they still get sick - although I seldom get a flu which I can't overcome in 36 hours max.
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Paolo wrote: Fri Oct 15, 2004 6:46 pm I don't know about colloidial silver, but silver halide won't do sh*t for you. Most photo lab workers absorb a great deal of this stuff out of the chemicals over time, and they still get sick - although I seldom get a flu which I can't overcome in 36 hours max.

colloidial silver = snake oil 🔨

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Well I am thrilled by the replies to a serious topic.

I am not shye and I am new to this FORUM.

The story started when antibiotics started to fail back in the '60's.

Research on Silver began in earnest. So I am told and reading about it.

All you have to do is to search the subject and lots of information comes out to my printer to review.

You can go to any health - vitamin store and get a bottle of Collodial Silver today for like 16 dollars for four oz dark bottle. The "making your own kit" brings the cost down to near silch since the 37 dollar kit will last for a very long time.

I make 8oz in a measuring cup about every week and a half and split it with my wife. She noted that her alergy to pollen was less. I note that my throat feels cleaner when I take my teaspoon of CS at night and hold it under my toung for 30 seconds and then swollow it slowly. The efficiacy is based on how the silver micro particles work. This you can study your self. I rounded up a 72 page bibliography on the subject. But reading WG's book gives you a start. Yes WG is very well indeed.

Keep an open mind on the topic and let me know about what you find out. We are talking about trace element dozes here and much less that what we take in in our food on a daily basis. How much traceelement silver did you eat today.? take one third of that and use it this other way. Good luck to all and keep taking care of yourself the best possible way. Johan n3rf@earthlink.net
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talula wrote: Fri Oct 15, 2004 5:20 pm Good lord. Wayne Green is still alive?

Wow.

tal

Dear TALULA,

He is a fine fellow and now very busy with health research. Yes he has tackled many controversial topics but he is still Thinking and Doing well. You to my friend. This Forum is NEW to me and It tool me a while to reply to You. For now 73 (amateur radio short for "best wishes") Johan-in-Washington, n3rf
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Paolo wrote: Fri Oct 15, 2004 6:46 pm I don't know about colloidial silver, but silver halide won't do sh*t for you. Most photo lab workers absorb a great deal of this stuff out of the chemicals over time, and they still get sick - although I seldom get a flu which I can't overcome in 36 hours max.

Dear Paolo, The silver used in Collodial Silver is in the order of Trace Elements that you get in food on a daily basis, not hughe quantities that You are refering to I am sure.

I am told that in food we get some 500 mcg ? a day of Silver in our food as well as other Trace Elements. The Collodial Silver that I am talking about is said to be in about 50 mcg quantity and in near molecular sice particles. Same thing size wise as we use our TRACE ELEMENT in our food to nourish and enable or "nutrition". I will be glad to send you a "bibliography" a word document with some 70 pages on "collodial silver" and maybe you will figure out what it is all about. Just send me an Email and I will send one to you. The CEO at natural-immunogenics .com send it to me when I asked for such bibliography and I dont mind sharing it with You. It is quite marvelous that one trace element used in this way can "help" the immune system so well, as far as I can tell. For now about this FORUM which is quite new to me. 73/JSm N3RF
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