A suggested age limit for surgical castration?

[Andrew (imported)]

As most of you know, I have been putting together a list on the effects of castration, aimed towards those thinking of becoming eunuchs. I have had very useful help and feedback from many in the EA about this. So time for another revision.

This is because of my learning the MOST distressing news that The Fraj now regrets his decision, and is now fighting depression. I've also been reading other threads.

In theory, it is legal to have yourself castrated at age 18 or 21, depending on where you live, and assuming you can find a Physician, Doctor, or Surgeon willing to do the operation. In such cases, tthose Doctors might be more willing to prescribe chemical castration.

So I am wondering if I should do a rewrite, with a suggestion that age 25 is the cut-off date (pun intended), under which a person should try chemical castration before making the final decision for surgery?

If not 25, what age? 30? 40? Castration before age 40 increases your risk of ostreoporosis.

[Kelly_2 (imported)]

TS youth can have this done at age 16 in some countries and 18 in others. And that is after taking chemical castration drugs since childhood in order to prevent having a male puberty in the first place.

Hugs,

Kelly

[Falcon (imported)]

i'm very sorry to hear that fraj is unhappy with his decision. people do lots of things that trouble them later; heck, i've been pretty annoyed with my prince albert several times when i peed on my foot. but of course, reversing a piercing is a simple procedure, and testicles cannot be reattached.

hopefully, fraj can start on HRT and reconcile himself to his status.

and if you're reading this fraj, hang in there.

TB

[jimmyb (imported)]

Andrew,

I was thinking about this very question after reading about Fraj. I've heard it said that life really doesn't even begin until 40, so perhaps such a life altering event would be best taken after that point. The problem with that is what to do with all those raging hormones that guys have from age 13 on. I know I personally would have appreciated some other way of dealing with them other than the "rosy" method.

[Dave (imported)]

This is not a comment on anyone in particular, I don't know enough about any person's situation in the previous posts to make any comment about their decisions.

That being said, people should realize that not all relationships last forever. Permanent modifications made at one persons request (or as a perceived desire) may not be wanted or desired in five or ten years. So make decisions carefully.

Also, my opening comments in mind, please consider the idea that maybe the doctors who insist that a person justify any drastic change in their life may be right. Not that I am unsympathetic to anyones desires. I do understand that some believe they are the wrong sex and I do understand that they need the change. But the doctors, in their experience want to be sure that the change is not going to be regreted.

So if I were to pick an age...

I knew at 15 y/o that I wanted to be a chemical engineer and that is what I became at one of the best colleges and that is what I have spent nearly 30 years working at. I've even been published in technical journals...

But I have lots of other 'regrets' about what seemed to be less important things in my life - - things I would do differently - - From the perspective of 50 some years old, those things of lesser importance seem much more important now. That is the sad fact of life is that what once seemed important when I was young is very different when viewed from 10, 20, or 30 years down the road.

Those 'regrets' might be depression (I have the classic symptoms) so I know not to act on those thoughts. At least not without professional help.

Be careful of what you desire and be even more careful of what you do when it is irreversible and permanent.

[2Beunuch (imported)]

You want my opinion? The doctor that castrated The Fraj (and we all know who that is, his last name begins with a "K") is more than a little guilty in this whole thing. He castrated a very young man without a letter of recommendation from a therapist -- so who the HELL does this doctor think he is being able to perfoem mutilating surgery on young men like this?

Of course you may think The Fraj was of age, and of course he ASKED POLITELY for the surgery, but you know what? Lots of crazy people ask for lots of crazy things. And yes The Frag was / and or is crazy in the sense that he was at a minimum depressed, and prone to self mutilation.

There are therapies and medications for what the Fraj was/is suffering from. Having two very important pieces of his anatomy chopped off obviously wasn't the solution to his problems -- now he's not only a depressed young man, he's an impotent depressed young man who is probably sprouting little embarrasing man-boobs (which, by the time he's in his 40's, will be positively pendulous) and with a penis that is slowly retracting into his body.

OK now is when everyone jumps in and says "Well, you're mileage may vary" -- but everything I've learned about having no testicles leads me to state the above.

Is there ANY case of anyone under about 50 years old being castrated who is actually HAPPY with the operation? I haven't heard of one (aside from the occasional transvestite, but that's different than a eunuch).

[Dave (imported)]

one person I know of started in his late 30's and it took five years but she is now back in the same profession and happy as a woman.

[Sac_mec (imported)]

Wow, sticking your head above the parapit on this question is difficult!

The fiction stories and some Guy's nicks/ids in the Chatroom suggest they are

young and very aroused etc by this subject. In my opinion there are probably young people born the wrong sex who are getting the right help from the right people whom they should be - but clearly young TS's have so many hurdles to cross and I salute their courage and hope they get full social and medical support, of course. I salute older people also adjusting their gender.

There is alot of fantasy stuff which often revolves around some ideal stud who is super hung and then chopped; such stories may make good 2 minute friction material for readers but men should walk into this fully aware of the life changing consequences. Sex was never my forte as a young man, but I enjoyed my daily orgasms and erections and young men should enjoy their libido but when other's are involved always practising safe sex, please!

For adult men, I think this is an issue that possibly relates to the menopause.

Do you agree that around 35+, certainly over 40, most of us become aware

that either we've become impotent or that possibly the thrill of waking erections etc has worn over thin? Starting off as a Chemical Eunuch, under the supervision of a Dr and with the appropriate blood etc tests, gives a man the opportunity to fully experience the totally new changes that they would face from surgical action, but choosing a chemical route enables you to decide not to proceed also. Men who start on the chemical route are far less prone to feelings of deep depression because nothing is immediately permanent. Indeed they may well feel "Eunuch Calm", whether or not this leads to surgery, who knows? If it does, the chances are that all feelings/thoughts/attitudes have been considered first.

Incidentally, one man's horror at "sprouting little embarrassing man-boobs" and "retracting penises", can be a source of contentment and comfort to the

person who has chosen and desires both

This is a very difficult question to address and there is no single answer.

First and foremost though throw out all thoughts of fantasy before consideration. Fantasy castration can be "enjoyed" by the virile man concentrating on it in as many orgasms as he wishes, over and over and over.

Don't rule out fantasy but never, ever mix it with reality!

[Falcon (imported)]

gosh fellas, when luvpain attempted his own castration, there were replies decrying the fact that almost no docs will do an elective castration without oodles of letters from mental health professionals. now there are letters disparaging dr. kimmel for accommodating someone's request.

freedom includes the opportunity to make decisions that we later regret.

TB

(planned to teach all my life. then i did my student-teaching and decided i hate the little high school weasels. now happily working in law enforcement.)

[SplitDik (imported)]

This thread really has people talking!

Okay, for TS people, the younger the better for them (pre-puberty even), but they get replacement hormones which are still physically important. The TS people I know who are indistiguishable from their gender orientation all started young. A 40-year old physical male who decides to transition to female is going to need a lot of work and will never quite get the full distance.

For eunuchhood, since you don't get much HRT, you need to wait until you are physically full grown. Castration without HRT at a young age will seriously affect growth and cause physical problems. I would say 18 minimum.

However, 25 is a long time for those who desire castration for overactive libido. Every year is hell and potential to get into serious trouble in those years. Your life is actually wasted until you get castrated.

The only big regret a person can have over castration is not having kids. So if someone is to wait, that should be what they wait for. However, if you are transexual or non-sexual, it is difficult to expect that you would have kids naturally. But I would still at least pay to have some sperm preserved, etc. Also note that many people nowadays don't have kids anyway, but that does not mean their life is over.

Maybe the Fraj can comment on his depression. Everyone regrets several things in their life -- that is not a big deal. Depression can also be medically based, so maybe he needs treatment for that. I would like to hear from him.