History of the "Eunuch Calm"

[An Onymus (imported)]

Someone who I told about the "eunuch calm", responded that her impression, from what she had read, regarding historical records of eunuchs, was that eunuchs were clannish, scheming, emotional, loud, resentful, and avaricious. I think that the hijras in South Asia have a similar reputation. The description of eunuchs as persons of that type, would hardly seem consistent with the "eunuch calm."

As eunuchism is a peripheral interest for me, I can't claim to have researched historical sources on this subject extensively. However, in what I have read, I can't recall seeing any reference to anything identifiable as the eunuch calm.

My question, then, is whether anyone knows of historical references to the eunuch calm. I never have seen it mentioned, except on this and a couple other websites. When and where was the concept first described?

The eunuch calm seems to be real to those who say they experience it, but I have to wonder, if it is actually experienced simply as a normal psychological state, which contrasts with a less balanced previous condition caused by an unnaturally high testosterone level. In other words, perhaps someone who was normal to start with, might not notice a "eunuch calm," after castration.

Alternatively, since a lot of present-day eunuchs are on different types of HRT, perhaps a certain cocktail of hormones produces the effect.

[luvpain (imported)]

I haven't really noticed a "Eunuch Calm" while on Androcur. I have noticed improvements in my mental well being and less issues with depressions and such. But I do still get pissed off fairly easily and don't tolerate any BS from others.

Sometimes I wonder if the "Eunuch Calm" is something someone has read about and wants to obtian so they actually start becoming Calmer after castration.

Who knows maybe, you have something there with the Higher levels of Testosterone. I know mine was on the low side of normal last October at 322.

[Andrew (imported)]

Well, I first heard the term from Jeff, Dr. Spector's assistent, who said it was an "indiscribable" feeling of peace and calm. Dr. Spector himself, on his older web site, stated that "In either the case of TS or eunuch, a deep calm serenity develops which, from then on, makes life far more worthwhile." And I feel I am there now.

But please note, Jeff and I are ELECTIVE eunuchs, and NOT taking replacement testosterone. Very important not to be taking replacement testosterone. (Estrogen is OK). Most eunuchs of history were not elective eunuchs, but slaves castrated against their will. Enough to make anyone peevish and bitter and all that.

Testosterone is the hormone of sex and aggression. It also builds up the typical male muscle mass and stronger bones. As your brain adjusts to the lack of testosterone, you will find yourself thinking less and less about sex, and your aggression levels will go down. This reduction of background noise leaves the mind clearer and calmer.

Of course, one can also cross the line into depression and bitterness, which is what many NON-elective eunuchs do, and probably most did in ancient times.

With the decline in aggression comes a decline in stress. In highly stressed persons, this resulting calm may seem wonderful indeed. At least it does to me.

There are probably other factors at work, different for each eunuch, but that is the way I see it for me today.

Again, this has been mostly OPINION.

[SplitDik (imported)]

Be careful about historical accounts of "eunuchs". The term eunuch was often used to describe gay and transsexual people in historical accounts, and does not necessarily imply castration.

Also, keep in mind that history normally records the extreme people -- you could also say that historical accounts prove that heterosexuals are brutal, capricioius, etc. But that is just because all the tyrants in history get more than their fair share of coverage. There were lots of eunuchs in history which we will never know about who were probably quite socially adjusted ("calm" or not I cannot say).

I think one other factor is what a person is seeking "calm" from -- a person seeking freedom from sexual obsession will likely feel calmer, but emotional calmness in other areas may actually be compromised -- there are accounts that low testosterone leads to depression, emotional outbursts, etc.

[Sac_mec (imported)]

I'm with Andrew on this one again. I maybe a chemical eunuch but my choice was elective, in simple English my own. Having made a choice for a life free of sexual urges, clarity, calmness and happiness can follow and for many EA members this is true - alot of what I have written is opinion I know but I think that many of us here who have electively chosen a eunuch lifestyle are over or

around 40 and I think by then we have had sufficient time to discover if this

"path" is our choice after wider discussion with professionals and much time spent here generally.

Apply any label "man" "woman" "Gay" "Straight" "Transgender" etc and all sorts of people for all sorts of reasons are quick to apply adjectives, frequently not

"supportive"!

An Onymous, I feel you have fallen into that trap and history can teach us both lots and nothing about the past if the message got so distorted in the beginning.

All the negative observations you make could be applied by any individual about any other and even then are spoken soley from one perspective.

I recall in a lesson at school (many years ago) being told that Adolf Hitler was

"gay" and it was said with sufficient authority to suggest a) it was true and b)

this sole fact explained why warfare was necessary in 1939!

There are Gay people on the far right and left and centre, there are career women and housewives, there are testosterone driven power crazed non eunuch males...so what, labels, labels, lablels. Hiding behind a label is the first step first to non understanding and also the first downward step to distrust.

Eunuch calm exists believe it; I am certain that initial personal individual choice is a major part in finding the "life path" that is correct for you.

Clearly the vast majority of men enjoy their virility and loads come here in order

to strengthen their sexual desires and urges, they have no intention of losing

their libido but they are equally fascinated and drawn to find out and read about

men who have consciously chosen a life free of urges.

The application of negative adjectives is so easy but these words can turn into

"sticks and stones".

[trixie (imported)]

well as you may have noticed i dont do long anything, especialy replies. my interpritation of calm is that we no longer have that constant urge to hunt women, in sexual way,and i guess for me thats what it means. ive not read any psycological analysis and really what do they know anyway,mind they can spell.i think we take on the female psyc.without the maternal urges, to procreate, lets just enjoy,

[sag111 (imported)]

I know not everyone here feels that eunuch calm but beleave me it dose exist for me at least.It is a feeling i cant describe except that the calmness is overwhelming at times and my aggression is at a place i can controal lol