CUTTERS: The Subject Matter Here at EA

[Paolo]

Here on the VBulletin Forums, we DO NOT allow discussion of cutters.

These are people who basically perform medical procedures without a license, and are not even real doctors!

Due to another small database "hiccup", the old sticky thread about cutters got lost. It is also possible that a few more recent threads could have gotten lost as well. If you thought you posted something, and it's not there after a day or so, you're not crazy. The database was, momentarily. I have even received email from a couple of confused users who suddenly found they no longer existed... here.

SORRY!:-\

Now, back to the subject at hand.

Please don't ask for help finding, or from, a so-called cutter on the forums here.

Please do not post on here saying that you are one, or that you know one.

There are EA Members who have, in the past, gone that route. Losethem has posted extensively about this, and how it was for the male-to-eunuch or even male-to-other gender mindset folks "back in the day".

Before the SOC-8 came to be, there was little care and/or concern by the professional medical community regarding voluntary, non-needed castration and/or penectomy. There were a handful of surgeons willing to do the procedures for a fee. Dr. Felix Spector and Dr. Murray Kimmell come to mind. Dr. Spector is since deceased, and I believe that Kimmell has retired. I could be wrong, as of now. I'm not sure if Dr. Arnkoff is still working. Other than disease or serious injury, one had little recourse but to seek a cutter for voluntary male genital removal on any scale.

This is no longer the case.

Way back when, there were posts about cutters on these forums. This was back in the heyday and "wild west" era of the Internet.

Times have changed.

The Admins and site owners here simply cannot hold that kind of responsibility, should something go wrong for a Forum User - and in the past, yes, there have been reports of "cutters gone wrong".

"Well, I read on EA that Mr. John Doe was a good cutter, so I went to him, and he castrated me, then I ended up in the ER because he screwed it up!"

NOPE.

We're not going there.

Again, our beloved Losethem even has a warning about this on his profile avatar: a skeleton who used a cutter. He has shared his experiences with many over the years. Readers should be grateful for his advice.

So let's just not discuss cutters.

I know, I'm wordy as usual. Sorry.

There is really only a handful of subjects we don't discuss here, and cutters is pretty much at #1 on the list.

Thank you.

Paolo

Losethem stepping into Paolo's message here... Close at #2 is discussing politics.

Please... Just. Don't. Do. It.

[Losethem (imported)]

Ah, the good 'ole days... When people were desirous, and the medical community basically ignored us.

Yup, no need to do that now. Once in a while I get reminded how much of a hypocrite I am by someone who had probably not yet reached puberty when I was castrated by a cutter back in 2005. It's soon to be people who were not even born then telling me these things. It's always a great slap in the face when someone uses the present day medical availability of this procedure (at least in the USA), as a means to tell me how horrible a human being I am because I didn't follow my own advice. To those people I say...

It must be nice to be able to say such things when you have this available as widely as you do now. We didn't have that luxury back in 2005, when I had some guy in the mountains of North Carolina cut my balls off, I was in a desperate situation. I was quite literally ready to kill myself because nobody in the medical world would help. And you know what? I would have loved to have been nullified at the same time. It was even discussed with said cutter momentarily, a cutter who had cut one dick off about 2 months before he took my balls, but I thought better of it because it's a fair bit harder to cut a dick off without complications than a set of testicles. So I went as far as I felt I could safely and reasonably go at the time, and yes, I'm a big 'ole hypocrite because I did it that way when no medical help was available.

The fight to make it legal and safe for you to get this done was a long one, and I'm glad to have done it. But you know what? I'm weary... I've been fighting for a long time and it's time for me to rest and take care of myself now. The problem is if you younger folks don't pick this up and continue fighting for it, it will be gone in the blink of an eye, and we'll be right back to where we started. Nobody else is going to do this for you, it's your fight now.

Though I'm sure they exist, I no longer personally know of any active cutters anywhere in the world, and I like it that way. I wish none of those who have been caught and are serving prison sentences any ill will, but it's a good thing they're basically out of business now. While most of them are great people outside of their, er... hobby, it was inherently dangerous to get things done that way. When I was young I had no choice but to take the risk or wait hoping things would get to where they are now before I killed myself. Those of us who were going through then what you are now fought VERY HARD so you don't have to make those kind of choices.

So I'm begging you who are to follow... Please pick up the fight so it stays this way.

[WheelyFixed]

Well said LT, and THANK YOU for fighting the battle

It can be a pain for us old timers to listen to the grumbles of the youngsters... I don't have your experience in the eunuch world, but plenty of other things in the same vein - When phones ALL plugged into a wall... When 640K really WAS all you needed (my current computers have orders of magnitude more RAM than my first one had for a hard drive)... When Floppy Disks (remember those?) actually were floppy....

When you get even a little longer view, it gets worse - I have a certain amount of amusement pointing out that the wealthiest folks in the 1920s couldn't get 90% of the stuff we take for granted, no matter how many millions they had....

WheelyFixed

[Losethem (imported)]

Well said LT, and THANK YOU for fighting the battle

It can be a pain for us old timers to listen to the grumbles of the youngsters... I don't have your experience in the eunuch world, but plenty of other things in the same vein - When phones ALL plugged into a wall... When 640K really WAS all you needed (my current computers have orders of magnitude more RAM than my first one had for a hard drive)... When Floppy Disks (remember those?) actually were floppy....

When you get even a little longer view, it gets worse - I have a certain amount of amusement pointing out that the wealthiest folks in the 1920s couldn't get 90% of the stuff we take for granted, no matter how many millions they had....

WheelyFixed

After reading your profile after I saw your "remember when..." examples above, I'll politely say, I'm not that far behind you. I suppose you're old enough to technically been able to be my dad, but everyone would have been looking at your family with "the eye" when your parents raised me to avoid suspicion.

My very first computer had a WHOPPING 16kb of RAM, a significant upgrade from the standard 4kb (that's Kilobytes NOT Megabytes kiddos). It feels like there are more than 16KB used to write this response to you. That computer had a *GASP* cassette tape deck if I wanted to save any of the programs I typed into it manually. It greeted you warmly with the operating system prompt, and nothing else but a blank screen. If you wanted it to do something, you programmed it as you sat there, and if you didn't have a book you had to learn it's language (BASIC). I think it was even a Microsoft system then despite having bought the damn thing at Radio Shack. I believe my first modem was 2 tin cans and a string fished through the case of the computer, I lost the photo evidence long ago.

Even back then, people were achieving their castration and nullification goals from the photo/video evidence I've seen. The earliest photo I saw of someone who was nullified was a guy who shared one intact photo of himself from 1987, and in the 1988 photo his crotch was as flat as mine is now. He was likely the very first nullo I encountered online, and even he got it all done by a doctor who was very hush-hush about it all. I don't even know if he's still around anymore. I would say he was between 35-40 when he was nullified, and that's 35-40 years ago now.

My point being here even then, with the right connection you could get it done, but it was very difficult. I know videos are not everyone cup of tea, at least for those of us who are serious, but the library I have of such the oldest video I've been able to figure out was done, I believe in 1986. I get the date as they had a radio on and it was airing the hourly news update and it mentioned "The Reagan administration announced today..." or some such thing which gave a date combined with the newest song I heard played as they were going about their business.

In the video, a submissive BDSM guy was shown having his master (or someone else from the BDSM community) taking his nuts off in it. Clearly a cutter of the time. Listening to their conversation it wasn't the first time it had been done. It was all very hushed and underground back then, and was mostly that way until about 2001 or so and more people coming online and finding the "help" that way. Still, the medical world wasn't interested in us, except to clean up amateurs mistakes.

It's why I tell people don't go there. You're fortunate options exist today that didn't even 15 years ago. This was very dangerous business before then, in extreme instances it could have cost someone their life.

I think it's sad it took a full 35 YEARS to get this recognized after that first video I saw, was recorded. People were doing desperate things to get this done. The folks going through this today still complain about how hard it is. But given the history, I'd much rather hear the newbies complain about the cost, the distance to travel, etc. than the crap we were talking about back then. Basically, it's the difference between making appointments with a doctor today vs. asking around in the dark shadows if Master Nutzycut could help you.

Of course, this is our eunique groups way of saying the same things that have been said of numerous other subjects in the past, "The kids just don't know how good they got it..."