TV doc - looking for would-be eunuchs

[Scottie0007 (imported)]

I WANT EVERYONE..... THATS EVERYONE..... TO REALIZE..... HOW LUCKY WE ARE TO HAVE THIS FORUM!!!!!! YOU PEOPLE SAVED MY LIFE!!!!! KEPT ME GOING!!!!! HELPED ME GET MY OPERATION!!!! STOOD WITH ME THROUGH ALL OF IT!!!!! hOW LUCKY WE ALL ARE TO BE HERE BROTHERS AND SISTERS. THE ONLY PEOPLE I WOULD WANT TO MEET WOULD BE ALL OF YOU!!!!!!

I want to shout this message to everyone!!!!!! We have a wonderful place here and how lucky we all are. We do not need the televison to screw us up or any other group to hate us becasue we have made different choices. The public is fickel. One day it will be fashionable to be a Eunuch and then the next they will hate us all. SO BE CAREFUL WHO YOU SHARE WITH!!! The public that seems so enlightened IS NOT!!!!! Even Christene has and had her problems with the public. Remember also that there are those folks in Washington who want to legislate our morality and our patriotisim. SO BE CAREFUL!!!! Haven't we all been hurt to some degree by family members, friends, significant otheres and so on. I know I have. just remember when the going gets tough.... We get to come here and get the love and caring we all need and want... And so it goes Scottie

[yankee masha (imported)]

You're right. No matter how far we get with accpedtance in any group there are always the residual leftovers who need to bash, criticize and hate. Usually they're utpid, but as you can see, they vote for others who pander to them for power.

You are very insightful, Scottie.

I don't think that there are many people who have not come directly in conmtact with eunuchs who even know they still exist. I can just see Rick Santorum (aka Sick Sanitarium, aka Hitler from Pennsylvania) getting all bent out of shape if he found out someone wanted to be a eunuch. Ho!

[sylvia (imported)]

Re: Cristine Jorgensen: I recall seeing an interview with her once. The press was causticly commenting how clumsy and awkward she was walking down the ramp off the plane in her heels as if to imply she lacked "feminine grace." To which she replied that considering none of the men would take her heavy bags as she stepped off, she managed about as well as any other woman could under the curcumstances.

Ms. Jorgensen made a living for herself following the media spectacle as an entertainer/comedienne. But her inital media portrayal was anything but objective, it was pure sensationalism. And for another example, Renee Richards, once publicly exposed as a transsexual against her consent by the media pretty much brought the end to both her medical and tennis careers.

There are certainly other transgendered medical professionals, so Ms. Richards may have helped ultimately open that door. But I cannot find any other example of transgendered athletes, and especially none that wouldn't be considered scandalous to this day. Consider the chromosonal tests still administered to most Olympic athletes to this day to verify their biological sex.

Bottom line: before a eunuch-to-be considers signing up for this documentary. Make sure your friends, family, employer, your children's classmates, their parents, etc. are comfortable with your decision to do this. It's probably better they learn about it from the horse's mouth so to speak than seeing their neighbor being neutered on an A&E special.

Conversely, I suspect someone out there owns his own tattoo parlor/piercing salon and doesn't give a #%* what anyone thinks about his forked tongue, tats, prince albert, or eunuch status. Trouble is, for the producers to find him before the nuts are gone.

Not to mention, he'd not be representative of the vast majority of folks wanting to be castrated. It'd just be like the portrayal of gay men in the 70's-80's on tv solely as the leather queers and drag queens showing off during Folsom St. fairs.

[yankee masha (imported)]

Yes, you're right on all points. But really if we sit around waiting for people to approve anyone who is not under teh protective married wiht kids banner, we'll never get anything done. As someone who never married I can ell you that is as odd to most people in the vast majority as anything. They can't fathom it.

Re: the Olympic testing, I believe that was due to that Russian "woman" who the communists tried to foist off to win the gold. I was not reallyh resolved but "she" was so close to being a geneitc male that they instituted those tests.

Poor renee reall got shafted, but in many ways some of the concerns about her male musculature giving ehr an unfair advantage over her female opponents were valid. To reject her in the locker room was bullshit since female reporters must be allowed into men's locker rooms, but the objections about her having a stronger serve than other females wsere accpetable.

[Tomas (imported)]

Yes, Renee had a rough time of it, though part of it was do to the dithering - Richard - Renee - Richard - Renee before finally settling down and sticking with Renee.

(I do recall, though, finding humor in the various jokes/comments about Renee opening up a totally new area in tennis: Mixed Singles ... )

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[yankee masha (imported)]

I think people jsut want something new to recycle teh same old jokes about. Billie Jean King got more than renee ever did, and Hillary Cliinton. I remember the one joke about Billie Jean becoming the spokesman for Snap On Tools.

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The public is fickel. One day it will be fashionable to be a Eunuch and then the next they will hate us all. SO BE CAREFUL WHO YOU SHARE WITH!!! The public that seems so enlightened IS NOT!!!!!

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Remember also that there are those folks in Washington who want to legislate our morality and our patriotisim. SO BE CAREFUL!!!!

Could not of said it any better!!!!!

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[Quillman (imported)]

At the best of times I am quite unaware of most things that go on in the USA but I can well remember the TV documentary made in the UK about eunuchs, and I am pleased to have been able to make a contribution abeit only a small one. We had similar conversations at the time on these boards regarding the integrity and it was only after much debate and some investigation did I eventually meet the Producers. They actually came and included America in the film and I am sure that many members here will remember that.

Is this going to be the same sort of thing but from the USA prospective I wonder? Presumably just only Americans involved perhaps? Interesting!

Quillman UK

[Scottie0007 (imported)]

Having and being an american citizen all my life I can tell you straight out that the UK takes a different attitude towards sexuality. Just look at what you can watch in terms of nudity, or straight forward bawdy comety. While here in the USA we have a bunch of prudes who run network television. Besides all that we travewl at a faster pase and I can assure you unless the pictures are descriptive and sensational nobody will watch it anyway. We can not compare the UK with the USA just becsue we speak the same language. So be careful about assumptions about who it would help or who it would hurt. Im not into destroying my life or anyone eleses. I will continue to say BE CAREFUL..... HAVE SOME CONTROL OVER THE ARTICLE... AND PROTECT YOUR BALLS!!!!!! and so it goes... Scottie

[Paolo]

If you think that the UK is more open about what is on TV or in comedy, etc., you should see some of the stuff that Japan considers rated "G - all audiences" by American standards!

MUCH more open and less repressed.

I've seen some Japanese films (thanks to my University contact) that are the same thing as being "All audiences approved" OR rated "G" that are just fine and dandy in Japan ... and it would scare the hell out of me to own one of them on DVD for fear of being arrested if anyone found out I had it!

But getting back to the topic...

Everything that is said, filmed, viewed, whatever ... will always be taken differently by those in other cultures who are exposed to it. Movies, for example. There is always some deviation, thus the need to be careful.

Remember playing the game "whispers" when you were in school? One person would start by whispering a phrase to the person next to him. By the time it got back to him, it would be NOTHING like it was when it started out, as each retelling altered it a bit.

Such is the case here.