WPATH SOC 8 surgeries

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WheelyCurious mentioned WPATH SOC 8 in another post and I'm curious about the effect this has had on individuals seeking castration and penectomies. I'm curious as to whether more urologists are actually doing more castrations and or penectomies. I do know that more and more young women are entering into Urology as their medical specialty, which may or may not help. From my experience most of the female counselors and urologists were more understanding and sympathetic, so I think that as more enter into Urology, they'll be more willing to castrate or perform penectomies. Last week, I had my final appointment with my urologist so he could look over his handy work. (He removed the last of my penis, scrotum, and testicular chords. I had been castrated and penectomized years before, but he went in and removed every last bit of my genitals, save for a small piece that was rerouted). When he came in to examine me, he brought a young intern with him. She was training to become a urologist and he was eager to show her what he had done. She was certainly interested and took a good look, though their wasn't much to see. The question I have is this, will WPATH SOC 8 actually make it easier to get castrated and or penectomized? Will uroloists become more inclined to do these surgeries? Will it eventually become a normal or regular operation? I think it will, though and I expect some of the SOC 8 pre-surgical counseling and or recommendations to be reduced. What are your thoughts?

[erikboy (imported)]

I am quite positive, that it is now much easier to get what ever surgery type youwant on your genitals. Here is the list:

Who: Surgeons who offer nullectomy

These are the United States surgeons or surgical practices that we know of who offer nullectomy/nullification. This list is for informational purposes and is not intended to be a recommendation or referral.

MozaicCare, San Francisco, CA

Align Surgical Associates, San Francisco, CA

Crane Center, San Francisco, CA and Austin, TX

Davis Plastic Surgery, Palo Alto, CA

CME Constructive Urology, Columbus, OH

Marin Health, Greenbrae, CA

Dr. Shane Morrison, UW Medicine, Seattle, WA

OHSU, Oregon

Dr. Dany Hanna, The Hanna Gender Center, TX

Keelee MacPhee, MD, Durham, NC

Ohio Health

Dr. Ramenini, Washington D. C.

Dr. Daniel J Freet, UT, Houston, Texas

source:

https://queerdoc.com/nullectomy-nullification/

[WheelyCurious]

WheelyCurious mentioned WPATH SOC 8 in another post and I'm curious about the effect this has had on individuals seeking castration and penectomies. I'm curious as to whether more urologists are actually doing more castrations and or penectomies. I do know that more and more young women are entering into Urology as their medical specialty, which may or may not help. From my experience most of the female counselors and urologists were more understanding and sympathetic, so I think that as more enter into Urology, they'll be more willing to castrate or perform penectomies. Last week, I had my final appointment with my urologist so he could look over his handy work. (He removed the last of my penis, scrotum, and testicular chords. I had been castrated and penectomized years before, but he went in and removed every last bit of my genitals, save for a small piece that was rerouted). When he came in to examine me, he brought a young intern with him. She was training to become a urologist and he was eager to show her what he had done. She was certainly interested and took a good look, though their wasn't much to see. The question I have is this, will WPATH SOC 8 actually make it easier to get castrated and or penectomized? Will uroloists become more inclined to do these surgeries? Will it eventually become a normal or regular operation? I think it will, though and I expect some of the SOC 8 pre-surgical counseling and or recommendations to be reduced. What are your thoughts?

It is hard to be absolutely certain what the effect of SOC 8 will be on getting access to surgeries / hormones, but it SHOULD make it a LOT easier....

Basically the previous SOC 7 only addressed people doing a full binary swap M<->F. While there were some implications that other options were possible, there was nothing explicit about doing M->E, or any sort of non-binary changes. This meant that many T-G centers and programs weren't open to anything that wasn't "in the book", insurance didn't want to cover it, etc....

SOC 8 changed all that by explicitly having chapters on Eunuchs, Non-binary and other changes that are different than what would be involved in a full swap. If you were to try to summarize SOC 8, it basically says that anything that helps the patient align their body with their sexual orientation / alignment / whatever you want to call it is fair game. You have to convince the shrinks that you are definite in your desire, and are able to do fully informed consent, and what you want has to be medically sound. (And procedures will be done in an OR like any other operation, no kinky scenarios...)

This means that ANY TG center should be more willing to work with you, and since it now has a 'valid medical diagnosis / treatment recommendation' your insurance is more likely to cover it....

I can't speak for the experience of others, but personally, as described in my other posts, I've been having a minimal hassle experience at a hospital TG program which is not on Erikboy's list thus far. Given that any of the surgeries that interest us are essentially a subset of the M->F operations, I also see no reason that any surgeon that can do the M-F surgery can't do ours just as easily. The urologist I've talked to about this wasn't his department's specialist in these surgeries but his basic reaction was 'no problem'....

My insurance hasn't quite caught up w/ SOC 8, so I have to get two letters from the shrinks instead of one, and they do want the one year minimum 'test drive' on chemical castration, but otherwise no problem and they will cover it....

So my experience has been good so far, only time will tell how fast the availability spreads, but I've been saying that at this point anyone that wants to go down this path should start at their local TG clinic...

WheelyCurious

[Losethem (imported)]

I am quite positive, that it is now much easier to get what ever surgery type youwant on your genitals. Here is the list:

Who: Surgeons who offer nullectomy

These are the United States surgeons or surgical practices that we know of who offer nullectomy/nullification. This list is for informational purposes and is not intended to be a recommendation or referral.

I know it didn't come from erikboy, and I'm not speaking of him here... But good grief how I hate other folks making up stuff and applying labels to our community in their effort to make a mark on the world.

Nullectomy?

Are you F*****G kidding me? We've never called it that.

[Valery_V (imported)]

I know it didn't come from erikboy, and I'm not speaking of him here... But good grief how I hate other folks making up stuff and applying labels to our community in their effort to make a mark on the world.

Nullectomy?

We've never called it that.

Hippocrates weeps:

LINK TO NATIONAL REVIEW REMOVED

Moderator note: The National Review is a hack publication with an agenda against our community and many others. We shouldn't be lending it any legitimacy by linking to it here when all it seeks to do is mock and diminish our humanity.

[Paolo]

All the author does with this piece is prove his ignorance (getting definitions wrong) and show his own misunderstanding (if not hysteria) over something that can sadly be turned into a sensationalist piece of "writing".

Idiot.

[erikboy (imported)]

nullectomy...

It seems that variation of non binary surgeries is too great and confusing to give a strict name to each of them. And I think they even shouldn't try.

But the count of doctors willing to do what ever patient wants is on the rise.

[TooMuchT (imported)]

That list is at least a couple years old, if not more, and seems to only list private practices that do nullification surgeries. My upcoming penectomy/nullification completion is being done at a large University-based health system in Southern California that is NOT on the list, but that offers gender health care including transgender surgery. With SOC 8, any just about any hospital system in the US with an active gender health / transgender care program SHOULD now be able to help now. The main road block is that our community is also going to get caught up in the increasing hostility to transgender care that is rearing it's ugly head in many states

I also had easy access to Dr Aguilar in Tijuana (in fact he did my scrotectomy), but the logistics of doing nullfication surgery down there is the same as it would having to travel to a distant city, as they want you to stay in Tijuana for a week before returning home.

[Pheromones (imported)]

That list is still useful, despite the questionable source. I was referred to one of those clinics by my therapist but its over a thousand miles away and crossing state lines. It seems like nationwide practice of these surgeries is still on the works.

[Losethem (imported)]

That list is still useful, despite the questionable source. I was referred to one of those clinics by my therapist but its over a thousand miles away and crossing state lines. It seems like nationwide practice of these surgeries is still on the works.

Nationwide practice of the more common MtF and FtM surgeries are "still in the works" in large portions of the United States. If you think the SOC 8 will be widely adopted and made available everywhere, even in your own town, you may be waiting a very long time, just as those who seek a binary transition still are. So if it's not available in your community, you must be willing to travel to accomplish the goal if it's what you're pursuing. The only other option is to sit at home in Smallville and pout about why it isn't available on your doorstep.

Where there is a will, there is a way.

That people do it in the face of these difficulties should be enough to make the anti-body autonomy crowd shut up, but it isn't. Why would we purposely choose to be ostracized by our families, ground to mush by certain elements of the media, beaten up by certain politicians, and otherwise live that miserable existence if it wasn't better than what we're dealing with before undergoing these procedures? Apparently we're supposed to be miserable our entire lives because it makes other people feel better. My response to those people? G-F yourselves.