Young Sub Castrations To Please CBT Masters

[jcat (imported)]

Thank you Kristoff, that means a lot coming from our mother superior. I actually feel as if I can be of some use in this.

[magusuk89 (imported)]

You have put this down eloquently. This is what is churning in my mind. I have feeling very lonely of late and joined some chat groups relating to extreme mods, castration ..... just looking to engage a bit. It quickly became apparent that I was entering into a very dark world where infatuated youth, searching for meaning in their racing hormonal state are literally being herded like cattle to various forms of amputation. With no knowledge, just driven by Testosterone. I was chatting last night again to a really good looking, intelligent guy who wants to nullified like a 'Ken Doll' because he is driven by surging Testosterone. He was really appreciative of my wisdom. I hope he comes back to chat more. He had no idea that to be horny as he'll and want hump anything that moves is a normal experience if youth. He thinks he is abnormal and should curtail it. I feel a moral responsibility to stick around some of these groups, because when they know I am a eunuch they want to chat. It is an opportunity to ask some searching questions. Maybe, some of us should become Eunuch Angels to try and get some thinking going on in this your kids heads.

Taking on that kind of on the ground intense social work is immensely moral, but it is also a big sacrifice emotionally... I had a career in the advice industry and refugee work for a while and boy, did it take it out of me. Finding a balance between good humour - a touch of glamour even - and really serious, clinically-minded public service realism is something this site does well as a collective thing, but also makes it quite a strange place sometimes. if you can find a way to balance things, that's great... but it isn't anyone's responsibility as an individual to break themselves on an issue like this as some kind of martyr.

[racerboy (imported)]

Unfortunately, young people are the most convinced they "know it all." When they ask you for your counsel, frequently what they really want is confirmation that what they have already decided to do is what they should do. Paraphrasing from "My Fair Lady,"

"They will beg you for advice.

Your reply will be concise,

And they'll listen very nicely,

Then go out and do precisely what they want!"

On the other hand, a thorough discussion of the consequences, pro and con, can be of great help to someone whose mind isn't already made up.

[magusuk89 (imported)]

Unfortunately, young people are the most convinced they "know it all." When they ask you for your counsel, frequently what they really want is confirmation that what they have already decided to do is what they should do. Paraphrasing from "My Fair Lady,"

"They will beg you for advice.

Your reply will be concise,

And they'll listen very nicely,

Then go out and do precisely what they want!"

On the other hand, a thorough discussion of the consequences, pro and con, can be of great help to someone whose mind isn't already made up.

Maybe... in advice work though it's useful to remember that often people are face- and honour-conscious in the advice interaction, so they may choose an option you suggest or absorb and consider information you supply, but you might never get to see that happening. This is especially the case where there is a power imbalance... which could be a reason every generation ends up perceiving younger generations as ignoring them.

[magusuk89 (imported)]

Maybe... in advice work though it's useful to remember that often people are face- and honour-conscious in the advice interaction, so they may choose an option you suggest or absorb and consider information you supply, but you might never get to see that happening. This is especially the case where there is a power imbalance... which could be a reason every generation ends up perceiving younger generations as ignoring them.

This is kind of what I meant when I said about not being a martyr to an issue like this. The work is often extremely thankless, and unless you have a really deep well of motivation and are happy about having very little feedback or confirmation that you made any positive impact, it can be hard. Finding meaning in that kind of task is probably as much of a wild goose chase as the kids are on!

[erikboy (imported)]

As there is no uniform entity named EA, the youth is not uniformly same. Some people naturally take more risks than other. Although it is youth that takes more risks due to their brain is oriented more to gain, result with much less critical thinking. And yes, we should educate them as much as we could. It has always been this way. Since the very beginning of humanity. But you can't save them all. You Only can reduce casualities. I for example, have allways been rather modest in fulfilling my desires. I remember that in my late teens and early twenties I was afraid that I could do something really irreparable, something I will regret to myself in the quest fulfilling my desires. That feeling held me back destroying my balls, as I allready discovered that cooling them down while their blood supply is cut, kills the pain almost completely. People are different. And we know TrentAG who killed his balls off using exactly the same numbing method. May be he is happy now. Happier than me during all these years. Who knows.

[erikboy (imported)]

Also, there is other side - CBT Masters. I have no personal experience with sub/master world. But often times people concentrate on suffering side. But there is always two sides. Masters do not want to take responsibility. Like subs do not perceive possible consequences of permanent modifications. As I understand responsible masters are a sought after people.

[magusuk89 (imported)]

Also, there is other side - CBT Masters. I have no personal experience with sub/master world. But often times people concentrate on suffering side. But there is always two sides. Masters do not want to take responsibility. Like subs do not perceive possible consequences of permanent modifications. As I understand responsible masters are a sought after people.

I have quite a bit of experience and active involvement with this world so (though folk will be sick of hearing my voice on this thread) I'll throw in a comment.

Within BDSM and power exchange the submissive side is often about fulfilling a need to escape from personal responsibility (be that existential fear or stress of accountability in other parts of life -- the destitute sub and the CEO sub are both established archetypes) whereas the dominant side is about exploring power and responsibility.

The kind of person who is happy to enjoy the responsibility of domination is either desperate for a self-esteem boost and to feel some agency, or is somebody who feels sufficiently powerful or resource-rich that taking control is not stressful to them. For the latter reason you do get dominants who are motivated by the expectations of either traditional masculinity or women's liberation who perhaps put themselves out there to conform with a socially sanctioned role rather than what might come naturally. Some lifestyle dominants seem to view it as a sexual version of a seat on the parish council. Indeed, finding a dominant who is a natural sociologist, priest or psychotherapist is probably the same likelihood as finding one on a parish council.

Because subs are often looking for a scene-based escape from accountability, there is no guarantee they will be motivated to seek out a prospective dominant who is adequately equipped to take on appropriate responsibility.

For this reason, several systems (RACK (risk-Aware Consensual Kink) and Safe, Sane and Consensual) have come about in the BDSM community as golden rules to limit danger. It is important to note that they involve subjective value judgements about risk and sanity though!

BDSM is not at all the same as abuse, but when people are looking to meet their needs through power exchange the thought and feeling process can sit very close to things like wanting significant life problems to be taken away, and so the usual vulnerabilities to abuse definitely apply to these interactions, such as inequalities in income, education, housing, immigration status, access to the law, and so forth.

So... while there is a sense that responsible masters are sought-after people, quite often on the ground in a city the dominants who get the most attention are those who can provide stability of a more basic kind than being expert psychological operatives -- exciting and expensive gear, conventional attractiveness, a happening social crowd, no financial drama, and so on. As I mentioned in a previous comment, a lot of famous and long-established leather families in the scene (like drag houses) are people who have got through turmoil as a group (e.g. familial rejection and homelessness, the AIDS crisis and so on). When there is a traditional element of the protective social contract organisation around a BDSM networked relationship, it is all a lot more complex than whether a dominant is actually someone possessed of great personal qualities for pastoral care and therapy. One of the biggest kink twitter hashtag sets relates to the idea 'your dominant is not your therapist'.

There's a lot being made of youthfulness as a force towards reckless behaviour, but I see the vulnerability of youth much more as being one of having not built up the financial and social resources to operate in the world fully independently, and so the scene being driven by forces other than mutual self-actualisation is a lesson sadly often learned the hard way.

[Circumcised (imported)]

What I am more concern is the ease of obtaining information, without knowing it is true or not, and consequent. There are terms called 藥娘 (the one who take female hormones , anti-testosterone, etc, the called the medicine 糖， sugar)，偽娘 (the one who act like a female, can be just cross dressing, but some wish to be more female and take hormones, some castrated, caged, cosmetics surgery, some become nullo but they may not have any medical consultation)，etc on various platform. Some users are underage, some advocating young , some using online photos , photo editing photos and pretends he or she is this group. Then asking other to follow them , buy movie from them, sponsor them , buy medicine from them, underground surgery, Asking the “slaves” to provide money to them and they called them as ATM ( automatic taller machines) .

Cannot estimate how many, real person or robot, or just a single person and controlled a large amount of users.

However, how to provide correct information to young is an issue.

[magusuk89 (imported)]

What I am more concern is the ease of obtaining information, without knowing it is true or not, and consequent. There are terms called 藥娘 (the one who take female hormones , anti-testosterone, etc, the called the medicine 糖， sugar)，偽娘 (the one who act like a female, can be just cross dressing, but some wish to be more female and take hormones, some castrated, caged, cosmetics surgery, some become nullo but they may not have any medical consultation)，etc on various platform. Some users are underage, some advocating young , some using online photos , photo editing photos and pretends he or she is this group. Then asking other to follow them , buy movie from them, sponsor them , buy medicine from them, underground surgery, Asking the “slaves” to provide money to them and they called them as ATM ( automatic taller machines) .

Cannot estimate how many, real person or robot, or just a single person and controlled a large amount of users.

However, how to provide correct information to young is an issue.

There is good information about, but people have to be able to find it. All the personal blogs and things you mention are in social and sex-related spaces, whereas the best information will be in medical journals, online medical resources meant to be public-facing (e.g. the NHS website in the UK) or through serious discussion boards. I suppose putting links to the latter within the former would be a good start -- like how UK gambling and alcohol adverts have to have the websites for support linked in them.

One problem is standards of care and medical opinions vary widely between countries though, so if you tried to put up a medical website for information globally, it would run up against edge cases and national politics. An example of this is what I'm going through at the moment re autoimmune things.