Taking both T and E

[plix (imported)]

Some of you know that I have played around quite a bit with hormones over the years. There have been times I've taken no HRT, times I've taken T, and times I've taken E. I recall that another member here once told me that perhaps what I need is some combination of both.

Has anyone ever done that? Has anyone ever taken both T and E simultaneously?

I have heard of some MtF folks who add a low dose of T to their E. But is a full dose of E and a low dose of T the only way to do it, or are other combinations also possible - such as perhaps the reverse?

It is taking both of these hormones together even wise or recommended?

[seanthomas (imported)]

The reason we have doctors specializing in the endocrine system is that hormonal balance is a delicate matter and very individualized. Women produce testosterone and men produce estradiol in inverted proportions. Both hormones theoretically need to be in balance for optimum effectiveness. However, middle age in both men and women throws that balance off with menopause and andropause. And yet most adjust and live on quite well without supplementing what nature has diminished. Or, we take hormone replacements.

Mixing both T and E to achieve optimum balance would require careful medical supervision or at least detailed experimentation. Otherwise it would probably be a waste of time and money.

Personally, for health reasons, I take low dose estradiol while my adrenal glands produce a low volume of testosterone. The estrogen is dominate but the natural production of T puts me hormonally in the lower range of a premenopausal female. This seems to stabilize my mood and sleep patterns as well as negating the negative affects of hormonal deficiency.

However, if my liver, prostate and hemoglobin would tolerate TRT that would be the choice I’d make.

[Valery_V (imported)]

Everything is correct, but the following circumstance worries and frightens me:

when we regularly take some hormonal agent, our body stops producing the corresponding hormone;

we become dependent on the need to take this drug regularly.

[seanthomas (imported)]

Only now do I see this thread is in the chemical castration arena. I suppose there is a difference in hormone regulation for those surgically castrated as opposed to chemically. But that begs the question as to what would be the objective of adding testosterone to a drug that suppresses the natural production of testosterone?

Perhaps someone in the transgender community could better answer the question. I’ve noticed that a lot of MTF trans folks retain full use of their penis, while others do not. Someone here once suggested that trans women occasionally take testosterone to maintain erections but I don’t believe that to be the case.

Inquiring minds would like to know and surely we have some MTF transgender members on this forum who could chime in.

[Stevenator (imported)]

The only thing I know about this is the famous transgender doctor will powers has several TG adult film porn stars as his TG patients and prescribes them a testosterone creme that is supposedly used once a week administered to the scrotum to allow for regular etections. He also has a medicine that regains penis size, but on the whole, I’m unfamiliar with that. Check out his Reddit page for more info.

[Valery_V (imported)]

I agree that the surgical method is much simpler, than the chemical castration.

I made transition of MTE as I wanted to remove the genitals in the surgical way, and castration in my case it was "collateral achievement" .

But alas, question Thread: 'Taking both T and E' also is also relevant for me.

[fhunter]

Has anyone ever done that? Has anyone ever taken both T and E simultaneously?

I vaguely remember someone here on the forum few years ago, who did that to keep being androgynous. Not sure how well it worked, but it definitely was done. Exact proportions or conditions - I do not know.

[erikboy (imported)]

I vaguely remember someone here on the forum few years ago, who did that to keep being androgynous. Not sure how well it worked, but it definitely was done. Exact proportions or conditions - I do not know.

"BestofBoth" user name?

[fhunter]

"BestofBoth" user name?

I think, yes. Thank you.

[plix (imported)]

Well, the interesting thing is that I often seem to get enough E naturally through conversion from the T I am taking. At least I think so since I have puffy and tender nipples much of the time. And I've noticed that when my nipples are puffy and tender, my moods tend to be at their best and physical problems at their least. When my nipples are normal size and have no feeling, I tend to have mood and physical issues. Now if I could only figure out why the conversion doesn't always seem to happen and what I can do to get it to happen all of the time, then I probably wouldn't need to worry about whether I should take any external E.

Everything is correct, but the following circumstance worries and frightens me:

when we regularly take some hormonal agent, our body stops producing the corresponding hormone;

we become dependent on the need to take this drug regularly.

This is exactly why I am very hesitant to take anything that our bodies produce naturally. It is mainly why I stopped taking DHEA, and I am still concerned that I may have permanently damaged my own natural production.