chemical castration is a route to stopping/reducing sexual thoughts?

[brunobruno (imported)]

Hi.

I'm a newbie here, so first off, please forgive me if I'm not expressing myself clearly. It's all pretty confusing for me right now!

Basically my situation is I want to stop looking at and fancying minors, specifically those in my everyday life, but generally too. My questions are not about libido/sex drive, (I think) because it seems the decision not to act on sexual impulses is ultimately about willpower and self control - even if a reduced testosterone level would make impulses rarer and less strong. I wonder if anyone has experienced becoming completely non-sexual - simply no longer interested in looking at people sexually ('checking someone out') following either surgical or chemical castration? I've read that many castrated men continue to have 'regular' sex lives, so is it just pot luck whether the effect I desire (becoming non-sexual) could be achieved?

Another question I have is, if the adrenal glands produce more testosterone to counteract stopped production in the testes following surgical castration, what's the point of it? Am I missing something basic here?

Thirdly, to what extent do you think the effects of chemical castration mimic surgical castration? In other words, would a 'trial' period on eg CPA be a good indicator of what to expect regarding effects on sexual thoughts and impulses.

Lastly (for now), I've looked for info on the possibility of being hypnotized out of being attracted to minors. I know this is not castration (apologies for drifting off topic a bit) but I suspect I'm not the only one here who similarly has wished this were possible and maybe someone has an insight/info to share on this.

Thanks very much, everyone, for reading this, and best wishes for your own journeys.

[cboy0815 (imported)]

You also can try Tamoxifen or better Raloxifen in low dosage... it kills libido but you will stay healthy. Castration leads to bad side effects...

[kristoff]

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Lastly (for now), I've looked for info on the possibility of being hypnotized out of being attracted to minors. I know this is not castration (apologies for drifting off topic a bit) but I suspect I'm not the only one here who similarly has wished this were possible and maybe someone has an insight/info to share on this.

Thanks very much, everyone, for reading this, and best wishes for your own journeys.

I once worked in prisons with sex offenders, including a number of folks who were attracted to minors. In some cases, we tried using hypnosis as a means of bringing about a cessation of thoughts/fantasies about minors. Usually, at best, we could get temporary effects, but this would only last a few days to a couple or three weeks before old thought patterns would re-emerge. Other, longer term approaches were much more effective, but then there is no guarantee about any approach or method. Most often, one can only hope something works.

[JessicaH (imported)]

It's really a shame that there are not better resources to help men who want help before children get hurt. We spend so much punishing offenders and helping their victims but little or nothing to help men with unwanted desires. Society should bend over backwards to help these men who seek help before they hurt someone.

[JessicaH (imported)]

If you are in the UK, check out https://www.lucyfaithfull.org.uk/.

Helpful info if in Germany https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... hey-offend

[ntalhoun (imported)]

dummy question: is there resource/experience on the process after chemical castration? Like when you no longer take the drug and let your body recover to normal level prior to chem?

[TopManFL (imported)]

Hi.

I'm a newbie here, so first off, please forgive me if I'm not expressing myself clearly. It's all pretty confusing for me right now!

Basically my situation is I want to stop looking at and fancying minors, specifically those in my everyday life, but generally too. My questions are not about libido/sex drive, (I think) because it seems the decision not to act on sexual impulses is ultimately about willpower and self control - even if a reduced testosterone level would make impulses rarer and less strong. I wonder if anyone has experienced becoming completely non-sexual - simply no longer interested in looking at people sexually ('checking someone out') following either surgical or chemical castration? I've read that many castrated men continue to have 'regular' sex lives, so is it just pot luck whether the effect I desire (becoming non-sexual) could be achieved?

Another question I have is, if the adrenal glands produce more testosterone to counteract stopped production in the testes following surgical castration, what's the point of it? Am I missing something basic here?

Thirdly, to what extent do you think the effects of chemical castration mimic surgical castration? In other words, would a 'trial' period on eg CPA be a good indicator of what to expect regarding effects on sexual thoughts and impulses.

Lastly (for now), I've looked for info on the possibility of being hypnotized out of being attracted to minors. I know this is not castration (apologies for drifting off topic a bit) but I suspect I'm not the only one here who similarly has wished this were possible and maybe someone has an insight/info to share on this.

Thanks very much, everyone, for reading this, and best wishes for your own journeys.

He @brunobruno,

Welcome to the group. From what I read in your introduction, your desire to eliminate attraction to minors is admirable. You didn't say if you are currently working with a therapist.

Using the help of a therapist can be a blessing and a curse. Once you go down that road, there is no turning back. The blessing is they can write letters and help you get the chemical or physical castration you need. The curse is they will be like a dog with a bone and won't let go - you might end up with more treatment than you wanted.

No matter the route you end up taking, you will get to where you want to be.

[DonnyMac (imported)]

Here are some of my opinions to your questions:

I wonder if anyone has experienced becoming completely non-sexual - simply no longer interested in looking at people sexually ('checking someone out') following either surgical or chemical castration?

When chemically castrated my libido became zero. Much like a pre-teen. You can always vary dosage to get the desired results. Surgical should be identical. All about how low your testosterone is.

I've read that many castrated men continue to have 'regular' sex lives, so is it just pot luck whether the effect I desire (becoming non-sexual) could be achieved?

Only with testosterone. Castration is pretty binary, shutting off most of your T.

Another question I have is, if the adrenal glands produce more testosterone to counteract stopped production in the testes following surgical castration, what's the point of it? Am I missing something basic here?

Yes, the adrenal glads produce T, just not much of it. Typically your T will drop by over 90% -- way lower than needed to kill you libido.

Thirdly, to what extent do you think the effects of chemical castration mimic surgical castration?

With me, exactly the same. That seems to be common here.

Hypnosis?

No experience with hypnosis. See previous response.

Don

[Double22 (imported)]

I once worked in prisons with sex offenders, including a number of folks who were attracted to minors. In some cases, we tried using hypnosis as a means of bringing about a cessation of thoughts/fantasies about minors. Usually, at best, we could get temporary effects, but this would only last a few days to a couple or three weeks before old thought patterns would re-emerge. Other, longer term approaches were much more effective, but then there is no guarantee about any approach or method. Most often, one can only hope something works.

As someone with a personal stake in whether or not hypnosis can alter sexual preferences, I feel a need to ask a flurry of questions of you. I've been through a lot of the hypnosis literature on the NCBI, and I've seen cessation rates for smoking range from 0 to 90%. The only thing that any of the studies had in common was that they didn't specify what hypnotic suggestions were used. Indeed, I met an elderly psychologist who had stopped hypnosis early in her career to focus more on mindfulness based therapies. I asked her what her technique was, and she told me that she would hypnotize her clients into distracting themselves with activities when they felt urges. When I told a more senior hypnotherapist about this, he doubtfully remarked "That's one way of getting people to quit!". So what did you guys try in particular?

Also, how long was the hypnotherapy? Many people on the WarpMyMind Forums who use hypnosis as a means of messing with sexual preferences report that saturation hypnosis for months is necessary for the effects to "stick". This Youtuber reports that she had to listen every day for a month to get lasting results. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP-c7SV ... nk&t=1m30s

How did your patients score on tests of hypnotic susceptibility?

Finally, what do you make of these studies?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1935956/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1935219/

Hi.

I'm a newbie here, so first off, please forgive me if I'm not expressing myself clearly. It's all pretty confusing for me right now!

Basically my situation is I want to stop looking at and fancying minors, specifically those in my everyday life, but generally too. My questions are not about libido/sex drive, (I think) because it seems the decision not to act on sexual impulses is ultimately about willpower and self control - even if a reduced testosterone level would make impulses rarer and less strong. I wonder if anyone has experienced becoming completely non-sexual - simply no longer interested in looking at people sexually ('checking someone out') following either surgical or chemical castration? I've read that many castrated men continue to have 'regular' sex lives, so is it just pot luck whether the effect I desire (becoming non-sexual) could be achieved?

Another question I have is, if the adrenal glands produce more testosterone to counteract stopped production in the testes following surgical castration, what's the point of it? Am I missing something basic here?

Thirdly, to what extent do you think the effects of chemical castration mimic surgical castration? In other words, would a 'trial' period on eg CPA be a good indicator of what to expect regarding effects on sexual thoughts and impulses.

Lastly (for now), I've looked for info on the possibility of being hypnotized out of being attracted to minors. I know this is not castration (apologies for drifting off topic a bit) but I suspect I'm not the only one here who similarly has wished this were possible and maybe someone has an insight/info to share on this.

Thanks very much, everyone, for reading this, and best wishes for your own journeys.

CPA is not as well studied in its effects on sexual deviancy as are GnRH agonists. There was a brilliant study by Rosler and Witztum in 1998 on the use of triptorelin in 1998 and the results were remarkable. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9459644

There are so few of us DIY'ing to ameliorate pedophilia, but I was able to find a story of a man who used triptorelin for his issue. Please note, he does describe pedophilic sexual imagery. https://www.psychforums.com/paraphilias ... ml#p862107

Also, I'm hoping to hand code a discussion forum for people who want to research novel ways of changing sexual preferences, that go beyond the typical classical conditioning that everyone jumps to when they first start thinking about this. Would you be interested in something like that?

[cboy0815 (imported)]

Is easier and healthier to try Tamoxifene or Raloxifene for cutting libido away! Small dosage for men is absolute no problem and prevents E2 binding to receptors in brain and will lead to lost of libido and stay healthy. No T is absolute bad for your health and the badest option for most people!