Fighting, brawling, temper, and testosterone.

[Brycenosak (imported)]

Really good topic, cutnbulls. You are good for that! Where I live, Ive been here for 35yrs. I'm the go to guy. Some refer to as the mayor, jokingly, I'm not the mare I'm a gelding. But seriously, my young mates, mostly boys, that i have known since toddlers. They have gravitated back to the village, wives and children in tow having made their money offshore, etc. The dynamics have changed. There is no longer challenging the old bull (steer) for territory. We are good mates, massive reciprocal respect. This transition has taken around 10-15 years. Josh wouldve 'knocked my teeth out' over a girl I didnt want anyway?? It was hard work, kept you on edge. I gave up being physically aggressive in my late teens, not in my nature and value my body too much. I am, however verbally aggressive, only with humans that piss me off. Its all good and most respect my passion (for machinery). Dont physically threaten me, or more importantly my loved ones, even I'm not sure what could happen. I'l just pick up a piece of pipe or a fire extinguisher etc. Not known as a 'beserker', keep them guessing? Big gang presence here in the bay. I'm the gang of one. lol. I'm not a 'tuff' guy, 1.8m,80kg, a 'grey beard'. Pretty strong tho? So pretty sure that was me, pre castration. Am on TRT, so who knows

[Begoneboy (imported)]

I've been teaching Martial Arts for almost 15 years. Castration has changed nothing for me. I stand for my principle and my honor, nothing more. Fighting is stupid, even if you win, you lose (and it may take a few years to realize it).

Your issue was easy "Walk away" - end of story.

“Never put passion in front of principle, even if you win, you

’ll lose” - Mr Miyagi

Wow! I feel like I just got chastised for an incident of self defense that took place over 40 years ago. As a developing teen no less. If you've been teaching martial arts for 15 years what is the thinking? The question was a sincere inquiry about whether or not hormones have an effect on our actions. That happened to be the only physical altercation during my entire 61 years on this planet. Which was actually an uncontrolled self defense. If not for self defense what is the reason you teach martial arts? I mean after all, the name martial. Arts is all about use of force to achieve some goal

[Brycenosak (imported)]

Wow! I feel like I just got chastised for an incident of self defense that took place over 40 years ago. As a developing teen no less. If you've been teaching martial arts for 15 years what is the thinking? The question was a sincere inquiry about whether or not hormones have an effect on our actions. That happened to be the only physical altercation during my entire 61 years on this planet. Which was actually an uncontrolled self defense. If not for self defense what is the reason you teach martial arts? I mean after all, the name martial. Arts is all about use of force to achieve some goal

Did look like that, begoneboy, Bet that guy didnt do that again? I come from a long line of teachers, so I see it as a gift to 'help people learn'. Just as channeling our god given attributes to sort some other persons shit out. You are doing them a favor, most dont even know it. And life goes on

[cutnbulls2ox (imported)]

Begoneboy,

It was already a wildly un fair fight for a 20 year old at full adult size and strength to pick a fight with a 15 year old, who is just starting or part way through his puberty and growth. Most men add a lot of muscle mass and strength in those 5 years. He was way too advantaged in weight and muscle to pick on any 15 year old. Even if you were enough of a muscleman to do the heavy work you were doing, he still outweighed you and should have been the responsible adult and you the teen.

Its very likely that adrenlin powered kick to his balls eventually sterilized or castrated him at some point in his life. That kind of ball damage doesn t just go away with no long term affects. But he might have given you long term damage that day if you had not beat him to it first.

Sometimes you have no choice but to fight. If you didn t fight him that day, he likely would have sought you out to fight again and again until you were forced to fight him.

It sounds like you cleaned up the world s gene pool that day by wrecking his balls and putting him in his place permanently.

[Begoneboy (imported)]

Begoneboy,

It was already a wildly un fair fight for a 20 year old at full adult size and strength to pick a fight with a 15 year old, who is just starting or part way through his puberty and growth. Most men add a lot of muscle mass and strength in those 5 years. He was way too advantaged in weight and muscle to pick on any 15 year old. Even if you were enough of a muscleman to do the heavy work you were doing, he still outweighed you and should have been the responsible adult and you the teen.

Its very likely that adrenlin powered kick to his balls eventually sterilized or castrated him at some point in his life. That kind of ball damage doesn t just go away with no long term affects. But he might have given you long term damage that day if you had not beat him to it first.

Sometimes you have no choice but to fight. If you didn t fight him that day, he likely would have sought you out to fight again and again until you were forced to fight him.

It sounds like you cleaned up the world s gene pool that day by wrecking his balls and putting him in his place permanently.

While both you and Brycenosak are doubtless correct it was not something that I was proud of and have never shared that experience with anybody since it took place. I guess in many ways I am able to open up and share things here that I would NEVER do anywhere else. "Ok, that was an admission of weakness" which I've always guarded against. I went on with life and that guy no doubt did as well. But to be honest, I'm glad I never saw the idiot again as I am also glad I've never had a similar experience since. And to be sure, I no longer bring a knife to a gun battle so to speak. cutnbulls2ox you may have just answered that old nagging question in my mind about that day. "adrenaline" However, that doesn't speak to the questions you brought up earlier which "me thinks" tclosetgirl missed as well. Sure, fighting is a negative response to a difference whatever it may be. But some just won't learn how to behave properly in civilization without a little corporal encouragement now and then along the way. And if that were not the case why does there exist classes to teach such things as the so called art form of fighting to win? It just seems to me that if somebody makes a living from teaching others how to fight physically they are promoting the stupidity of physical altercations. But back on topic, are we indeed creatures of the hormones flowing through our veins? Whether they be naturally produced or acquired artificially. I for one can attest to the effects of no/low "T" while being replaced with "E".

[cutnbulls2ox (imported)]

Hey Begoneboy, don t feel bad about what happened. You couldn t avoid it or control him. Maybe you paid him back for hurting a lot of other people you never knew he hurt. I very much doubt you were the only one he bullied and attacked. You might have saved many other people from being attacked by him over the years.

Any 15 year old, no matter how strong or tough would get a massive adrenlin surge of anger and fear in your situation. It was win or lose with no other option for you when he attacked you. You did the world a favor by teaching him a big lesson.

You did really good bringing him down without any brain damage to either of you from brawling.

[cutnbulls2ox (imported)]

I can count so many past times that I really regret when I didn t punch and beat the shit out of guys who richly deserved a thourough beating. I have very few times that I regret punching a man.

[racerboy (imported)]

Just saw a weird YouTube video on male aggression...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV5uY3sN4ko

In passing it suggests that if aggression is an uncontrollable inborn male characteristic, perhaps most men "except for a few lucky studs for breeding" should be castrated before puberty. However most of the video is devoted to suggesting that it is not an uncontrollable inborn characteristic but can be changed by changing the emphasis of what society considers to make up masculine behavior. Weird but interesting.

[notsomanly (imported)]

Begoneboy asks a great question. I can't speak for others, but low T has accentuated my slowness to anger and I'm not at all prone to violence. It really takes a lot of provocation to evoke rage in me. I don't know if being on Estradiol affects me in this way. Studies in animals show clearly that T is associated with aggression but what does E do to the mind of someone born male who gets castrated later in life? Studying rates of violence in transgender women might be informative.

[seanthomas (imported)]

I've always had a very long fuse and yet at it's end is a lot of powder and when it goes it goes big. I do feel a lot more mellow these days but dare anyone to mess with my wife, kids or now grandkids. I live in a shit-hole city and have a CWP and carry often. Therefore, I must do anything and everything to avoid any hostile confrontation lest it accelerate.

The closest I've come in the last few years was offering sage advice to a loud mouth punk (the son of a friend unfortunately) who was talking shit about how he loved to bust people's heads. I told him in a low and menacing tone to never pick a fight with an old man, for he's too tired and disinterested in proving how tough he is. So you'll just end up getting your punk ass shot or your guts spilled with a his knife. He shut up.