Vocabulary Issue

[T van Keel (imported)]

Although the term "eunuch" might be a good way to describe most of us, I personally don't like that word and once my genitals are removed I wouldn't like to be called eunuch. It's simply because my brain connects eunuch extremely strong with harem guards, and that's simply a definition that absolutely doesn't work for me. I am not a harem guard and will never be one.

That's just to describe I'm not too happy with the term eunuch, but currently I also don't have an good option.

[Dave (imported)]

I can't think of a word other than "eunuch" that works in all circumstances.

[JessicaH (imported)]

It’s funny that women have their ovaries removed all the time and no one ever thought there needed to be a term to call them. Does there need to be a noun for a male with no balls?

[T van Keel (imported)]

It’s funny that women have their ovaries removed all the time and no one ever thought there needed to be a term to call them. Does there need to be a noun for a male with no balls?

That's true!

[cutnbulls2ox (imported)]

I think to most men they consider it more of a big deal to lose their balls and then go through all the emasculating and impotence affects of it than most women losing their ovaries do.

Nulloed humans do tend to become more feminine and not more masculine from losing either sex s gonads. So the change is far more dramatic in a man s body, mind, and sexual abilities than losing ovaries are for most women.most women getting ovaries removed are older and done with child bearing and the younger stage of enjoying lots of sex for the pleasures of it. Females seem to lose interest in sex more than most males after aging and women don t need to " perform " with getting a dick erect to enjoy sexual intercourse the way men need to do to enjoy virile penetrating sex as a top man. Women s bodies don t change as noticably as a castrated man s body after their ovaries are removed or quit working.

Women s life cycle also does include menopause for most women. Few women s ovaries keep functioning as much and remain fertile into older ages the way most men s balls usually do. That is a huge difference in what men and women expect and give up when their gonads are removed. So men can avoid emasculation longer and retain fertility and sexual functions longer in many cases.

Same thing is true in most livestock animals. Few female animals in livestock production get their ovaries removed. Most male livestock do get castrated very young and in overwhelming numbers routinely. That created all kinds of terms for castrated and uncastrated males for many different animals raised in agriculture and routinely sold as fertile or infertile males for breeding or non breeding. Female livestock are always sold and assumed to be fertile and intact, except in rare circumstances. So livestock terms for castrated females were not used or needed. .

[cutnbulls2ox (imported)]

Puberty changes most males more in their minds and bodies and more publically noticably than puberty in most females.

A castrated male even gets gynocomastia and other changes usually considered to be more female. A female with her gonads removed does not experience masculinization the way a castrated male has feminization after losing his testosterone makers.

[Dekeldoh (imported)]

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s funny that women have their ovaries removed all the time and no one ever thought there needed to be a term to call them. Does there need to be a noun for a male with no balls?

I think this is partly due to the fact that safely castrating women is a more recent invention, so there are not historical examples of DFAB castrates like there are of eunuchs. Even in modern society, it's simple for uneducated folks to joke about chopping phalluses off despite lacking any knowledge of internal anatomy.

Part of the reason I like the noun 'castrate' is that it is gender neutral. However, I have stumbled across anecdotes of 'female-to-eunuch' individuals on the internet, and I have noticed that trans individuals in general sometimes do not take kindly to association with their natal anatomy, so perhaps some FtE individuals might prefer the term 'eunuch.'

[Eunuchorn (imported)]

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s funny that women have their ovaries removed all the time and no one ever thought there needed to be a term to call them. Does there need to be a noun for a male with no balls?

I could be mistaken, but the term "Barren" usually covers women unable to conceive. Eunuchs and Barren have the inability to make children in common. Adoption is their only answer.

[kastranja (imported)]

We are talking about the WPATH Standards of Care, as far as I understood. I guess what is needed is a medical term, as neutral as possible, without social connotations etc. The least problematic terms are usually descriptive terms. This would mean in this case something like "state after total gonadectomy". So we are talking abopout "people seeking or having undergone total gonadectomy". That would be an inclusive term for people of all genders.

Beyond that, one is likely to run into a disagreement on terms or at least into a wide field of different terms, definitions and views. I myself use the umbrella term non-binary, together witth agender (or agenderflux) and other terms for self-description. That is a very individual thing. But this has a much wider scope, it opens the field of gender and gender identities, and goes far beyound a "simple" anatomical description. The current version of the SoC (V 7) uses the umbrella term "gender nonconforming people" and will most likely be amended in the upcoming version.

Perhaps the OP could be a bit more specific about the content and aim of the text passages that are proposed for the next version of the SoC. The SoC try to be as inclusive as possible, and try not to be too specific for special cases, since that would mean narrowing down the proposed options and may lead to unwanted or unnecessary constraints in methods derived from the SoC in the medical systems of different countries (e.g. the history in the care for "transsexual" people and of the according law in Germany).

[JessicaH (imported)]

That is a description not a noun like eunuch.