Important New Survey

[PetJohan (imported)]

As an academic myself, I have experience with IRB protocols. They don't typically critique a survey like this. Their role is to assure as much as possible that no harm will come to the subjects, including keeping their responses confidential. The study itself can be badly flawed, but most funded projects went through peer review by a panel of experts in the discipline who evaluate the specifics of the science.

I stopped taking the survey part way through because I felt I'd already spent more time taking it than I had and the progress bar was only about 20% done. I'm generally skeptical of surveys and wonder about the quality of the data if the participants become annoyed by its length and its flaws. As for the survey itself, I agree with others who point out that it doesn't sample much about anything about those of us who are motivated primarily by a desire to be rid of our sexuality. I think this is the aspect of this community that most needs to be presented to the general public. I'd gladly answer a survey that led to truly enlightening publications of this sort. Some of us here are sexual and remain so after castration, others not so much or not at all.

Good question; Who authorized this? Who was his committee and there had to be one as he claims to be a doctoral candidate. It goes beyond me that any school with any sort of reputation, and that would include Northwestern, would let this sort of self serving and possibly self servicing trash out for public inclusion. Here's another question; Where else has this survey been posted or had access made to it? Anyone know? I'm perfectly willing to call NWU and make very specific enquiries not only about the survey, the genesis for it but Kevin Hsu in specific. Had he tried to launch this from my Alma Mater, USC, he'd have found himself on Vermont as a speed bump. Or, as a dirty trick on them, transferred to UCLA. I cannot get away from the thought that this whole thing was a canard done by one-or more-kiddies for their own puerile interests and sexual pleasures.

[fhunter]

Going through this right now.

"10 years from now, how likely do you think you are to still be a eunuch wannabe?"

sure - would castration stop being a eunuch wannabe? would being disinterested in it (due to say, sexual reasons) would count?

Two distinct endings. Same answer. No differentiation.

I am not even mentioning the sexual orientation questions...

If you work with non-binary/unsure of gender persons - does heterosexual count as opposite sex? opposite gender? both? none?

<insert here facedesk.gif something cute>

"Felt pressured by others to be a man with normal genitalia, although I don't really feel like one." - yea, like sure. (exhaling slowly.... I can like totally imagine that situation: "grow back a pair, will ya?" </sarcasm> Oooooohmmmm....)

"Felt, unlike most men, that I have to work at being a man with normal genitalia." (<sarcasm> sorry guys, I can't join your fallometry session, no balls, can't get hard</sarcasm>).

"Acted as a castrated man at home." (you either are or you are not... how????)

PS. Ok, all those are probably valid questions. It is probably me not being a native English speaker.

[PetJohan (imported)]

This personal information removed at the request of NW members for privacy reasons.

Paolo

[Paolo]

I need a link to take me to where you got this information, for the purpose of verifying that this is public data that can be accessed by anyone online who knows how to look for it.

I'm leaving this here for now, but I won't guarantee that another Admin won't pull it, or that Kevin will object to it. I also hope that Northwestern will not mind this data being reproduced here.

It's fine that you don't like the survey. It's fine that you question it. Many readers here did not approve of the survey.

Addition: And furthermore, the more I read this post, it resorts to nothing more than a personal attack on Kevin. And that's uncalled for.

HOWEVER, and as it's been stated more than once, ANYONE younger than 50 with the smallest amount of interest in this topic MUST be encouraged. Flawed or not, a bad survey or not, it is a learning opportunity for Kevin, and anyone else who may come after this.

NO, it was not the best survey ever. But it was an interest. It was an attempt to learn about this community, without the usual contempt and "Freakshow" attitude that so many have shown in the past.

Also, I do NOT approve of the manner in which you express your disapproval of the survey, etc.

For now, the post stands. However, if anyone related to the post complains about it, I will (with the approval of the other Admins) fully cooperate with them on what to do with this post.

For now, DON'T pull a stunt like this again. It may seem trivial at first read, but it has the possibility of becoming more.

[Zebedeee (imported)]

PS. Ok, all those are probably valid questions. It is probably me not being a native English speaker.

Honestly, it’s got nothing to do with your english. They had me scratching my head too.

I think that there are quite a few problems with this survey, and it deserves constructive criticism. I found a lot of the questions to be either uncomfortable, irrelevant or daft, but then I guess it has to cover a very diverse group of people, and a question which seemed daft to me may not be to someone else.

(But I don’t think it (or Kevin Hsu personally) deserves the kind of attack some seem to think is necessary.)

[PetJohan (imported)]

This information was got from the

Northwestern University Department of Psychology,

the area of study Hzu claims to be in. I verified that this information was open to the public and that any and all parts of it were permissible to be reprinted, discussed, disseminated in any way the view may wish. To put it bluntly, this was done to allow anyone to see all the studies currently underway at NWU in specific departments. As you go through, you will note that there are adjunctive references available for "further reading". I did NOT pursue those as I felt the corpus provided the information from which to draw further enquiries.

You refer, Sir, to what I have done as a "stunt". If you choose to see it that way, then that's your opinion. I have never been less than candid as to my opinions of the study and, frankly of the person who purports to have put it together.

Perhaps the reasons that this is a group aging out lie in the seeds or your own invective; However much we may wish the young to join us, there is clearly a clique which is inviolate to any person who comes with candor and genuine-ness. These persons look down, gently and with some annoyance but giving the appearance of verisimilitude when there is none. Those who run this sight, do not really want ideas, concepts, or, horrors, but must seem to be benevolent and, at least moderately inclusive. It's the gang of five versus the unlettered.

I have just lost my whole country, Zuid Afrika, to peoples who who feel they know better what to do and the answer to their dilemma is to toss out and, ultimate, summarily murder, those who oppose them. I do not know anyone connected with this, no attempt was made to offer friendship or even an appreciation for my work and....unless you're sitting in this overly fattened troika, you'll always be an outsider and there is the problem; When the young come, and they do, they find a tolerant amusement but no interest, no effort to sustain their desire to stay and see what they can learn and/or offer. By your standards, and comments, it would seem I wasted six years in Grad school and ten years in Med school.

I do not apologize for my actions as, you will concede, it's more than anyone else did apart from pat Kevin on the head and suggest that, well, he's trying. True. He's trying alright and he tries my patience with his ill conceived, worded and structured survey. One last question; Who here knew him and agreed to take and publish the survey? Did Northwestern University make this request or was it simply Kevin knowing someone and shellacking them into believing what he'd done had validity?

[PetJohan (imported)]

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If you have any questions, please contact sexualitylab@northwestern.edu.

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This link, provided by you, does not open. I asked several colleagues using different computers and web browsers to see if they could gain admittance; They could not.

[Zebedeee (imported)]

PetJohan,

Your education does you credit, unfortunately your arrogance and bad manners let you down.

I have found this forum to be nothing other than friendly and welcoming, and the administrators to be fair and very tolerant of different views and new members opinions.

You are behaving like a troll, and it is not your job to try to chase off anyone who takes an academic interest in this community.

[Zebedeee (imported)]

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If you have any questions, p

lease contact sexualitylab@northwestern.edu.

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This link, provided by you, does not open. I asked several colleagues using different computers and web browsers

to see if they could gain admittance; They could not.

I think you’ll find that is an email address and not a web link.

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[PetJohan (imported)]

Ever met a surgeon, well, okay, OBGYN but they face far more happy endings, who isn't arrogant? There's an old quote that is spot on here. "Yea tho I walk through the valley of death, I will fear no evil as I'm the meanest mutha fucka in the valley." That's a surgeon going in to help maybe save a life, maybe restoring something that seemed lost. You cannot be a surgeon unless you have the absolute precision of your own beliefs. I cannot stand there, my double glasses on, looking up and seeming to say..."Uh, Kelly retractor or go for it, I'm taking votes, people". You may also have noticed that, as a group, surgeons tend to be clique-ish,.,.,.just like the people who run this site. When you have worked hard and long to build something then, certainly, if you see a yahoo of whom it might be believed is out for no good, then it's time to get the settlers in a circle and repel anyone who has a parallax view.

I'm an old man, do not take the patient load I once did. Had myself castrated so I could better concentrate on my work, restoring people to health, often to life. So, yep, you got it, I'm arrogant and all the other bits of vitriol. But bad manners? Did I spit on your shoe? You do not know me personally and I don't know you, love to meet you, exchange ideas and thoughts and, I promise you, I'll listen very carefully to what we might say to one another.

As to the survey, my sole concern is that it's junk science and somehow got slipped over the transom hoping it would appear without out notice. Didn't work. For whatever I may think, read the other comments written by people with some education; No University would allow anything under their brand out with the clanging errors that are contained within this. For arrogance, I suggest this is a very young, very callow young man letting his ego having a lovely time...but his ego dragged him around a dark corner and now he's facing his own lack of perfection as pointed out by many.

Again, we don't know each other and that's rather too sad, given our rugged individualism, we could probably storm any thing and take it down.

Thank You, Sir, for your comments. They are much appreciated.

Petr-Johan