Important New Survey

[PetJohan (imported)]

Put the sliders where you want.

The title, the assumptions in the questions.... Yes, we need more questionnaires like this if only to show the questioners that life is maybe not as supposed.

Scientifically, best to observe, suppose, test, change what is supposed.

It is human nature to skip the first and maybe most difficult step. This is a youngster on his first outing, trying to understand the eunuch zoo. Maybe cut him some slack?

Should be his last outing until...a group of those he wishes to study makes it easier for him by allowing him to contribute to a Mountain Oyster feed. This was a wretched, poorly drawn rag that Northwestern should have never allowed to find any public participation.

[PetJohan (imported)]

To Kevin Hsu, Professional Student, probably. Know what Dicto Simpliciter Fallacy is?. You should, your idiotic survey is awash with them. You, one assumes, already had a proved thesis point in your mind and set out to collect data to support that. Your sample will be far too small and you have no way of proving the validity of the answers. Again, I'm guessing but there desperately needs to be a double blind component here to give you any hope of even crawling under the table called, "maybe he's sorta close". You have know understanding of masculinity which is basic to delineating between a castrate and a Eunuch which you cheerfully lump together. I took it, every stupid word of it. I answered it as honestly as possible at least until you boxed the respondent in to either giving an answer in which they did not believe or no answer at all. For one whole page you ask what is presumably a sexually complete male to answer imaginary questions with no thought that the group you are trying to reach has no interest in being "sexually complete male". Who the hell did you pitch the idea for this crap to? Someone in the Eugenics Department? Know who Yukio Mishima was? You, sir, are the sailor who fell from grace with his intellect. I am a Neurological Surgeon and hold two PhDs, one in Particle Theory and another in applied mathematics.

Your mania for sexual enquiry has allowed you to mask yourself to the fact that it's of very little importance save to persons involved in whatever it may be on a one on one basis. Yes, I know there are communities of Furrbes, Youbees, Babybees and God knows what else. But what you've done is lop all them together and tried to see them as valid, substantial groups holding the same pan personal importance as the Red Cross or any organized religion. My God, child, go wash your mind out with simple, human ideas and quit intellectually jerking off for your own pleasure. By the way, I was castrated many years ago and found your format and thrust of questioning, not to mention the framing of questions ludicrous. When you read the surveys, I'm the one who responded to your question asking how it might feel to "play the part of a castrated man" and answered that I could as I had played that role on the day I was castrated.

Petr-Johan von Weillig, MD, PhD

[Paolo]

OK, all academic cat fights, taken to PM/email please. Thank you.

[PetJohan (imported)]

OK, all academic cat fights, taken to PM/email please. Thank you.

Sorry, Sir, but this boat got pushed out and now you want to go splashing in the surf to try and either do damage control or sink the ship. I'm sure you have at your fingertips the way into the ether to cloture all future discussion but....Sir, that's not necessarily wise. This alleged student has posed a frontal attack on all men whom, one feels, he finds to be different by design and will now put us under his cracked microscope to see what he can see; Let's just all send him our favourite porn site and that should divert him for several years. I will not be examined, even voluntarily, by some young persons who believes he's found a hot topic, one that will garner readers based on the title alone. And about that title. He says it's aimed at Eunuchs but doesn't seem to understand that everyman who may have diddled himself surgically down there is in their minds, a Eunuch. I was completely castrated, even threw in the scrotum as a door prize but I don not consider myself a Eunuch nor does my Urological Surgeon who performed the procedure. In my view, I am a male who has had himself castrated for whatever ever reasons. Young Kevin needs to have a far better grasp on defined terms before he brashly and insultingly writes up this ludicrous "survey". As I said else where, who approved this? The Department of Eugenics?

So, sir, don't pat me on the head and tell me to go back in my hole and move on. I'm too involved with Academia to let this sort of codwallops slip by to the diminution and disgrace of men who have had alterations to themselves done. IF we follow him, we then need to toss in all the men who have had to have surgical alterations for very threatening reasons. Until I was bagged by MS I was a Micro Neurosurgeon who spent hours over a table trying to save men who through no fault of their own were on the happy trail to being simply castrated or nullified. What I did to and for myself voluntarily, I was trying like hell to prevent for them. Very few successes but there were some. Kev, if I may be so personal, forgets there are thousands of men who fall in this category and have waked to find they're no longer a MAN. (Think of Ronald Reagan in "Kings Row".) While, Sir, you are out there in the surf and the spume trying to right the craft called correct scientific enquiry, watch it, there are sharks...

Thank You, Sir, for you unfailing patience for dealing with yahoos, or me.

PJ

[Peter47-NL (imported)]

I didn't see anything of the servey until now, but I'll reply. It will take some time because as a Dutchman, English is a foreign language for me, difficult to read and even more difficult to write.

it took a lot of time, more than I expected, but I'm glad I did it.

[LeatherPup (imported)]

Sorry if I sounded like I was so negative about the survey. I was fine with answering all zeros until the arousal question with age groups from "infant" to "17 and older" seemed to be an intentional entrapment answer. Why not a legal age "18 and older" as everyone else in the world would write it? In order for me to give an answer, as I prefer "40 and older", I had to give a partially true answer of "17 and older" making me sound like a pedophile. The partial data from the few that will actually finish seems to be designed to give the results that all eunuchs and wannabes are pedophile, transsexual, exhibitionist perverts that are a danger to themselves and the public. :-\ Ok, maybe not that extreme but seriously, "17 and over"? Why did the 17 (underage) group get added to the legal ages?

[Paolo]

Sorry, Sir, but this boat got pushed out and now you want to go splashing in the surf to try and either do damage control or sink the ship. I'm sure you have at your fingertips the way into the ether to cloture all future discussion but....Sir, that's not necessarily wise.

That's what the Admin's do. And no, I'm not going to arbitrarily close the thread, just because it's getting so many comments about this survey.

This alleged student has posed a frontal attack on all men whom, one feels, he finds to be different by design and will now put us under his cracked microscope to see what he can see; Let's just all send him our favourite porn site and that should divert him for several years. I will not be examined, even voluntarily, by some young persons who believes he's found a hot topic, one that will garner readers based on the title alone. And about that title. He says it's aimed at Eunuchs but doesn't seem to understand that everyman who may have diddled himself surgically down there is in their minds, a Eunuch.

Let's hold off on that until our Surveyor responds with what his intentions are, other than an academic study.

I was completely castrated, even threw in the scrotum as a door prize but I do not consider myself a Eunuch nor does my Urological Surgeon who performed the procedure. In my view, I am a male who has had himself castrated for whatever ever reasons.

You'll probably need to take that one up with Mirriam-Webster, as far as the defintion.

Young Kevin needs to have a far better grasp on defined terms before he brashly and insultingly writes up this ludicrous "survey". As I said else where, who approved this? The Department of Eugenics?

Jesus A. and Richard Wassersug, to the best of my knowledge, and the Staff. If we hadn't approved of this, we'd have pulled the link.

So, sir, don't pat me on the head and tell me to go back in my hole and move on.

I'm

not a head-patter, thanks. My actions are almost always more violent.

I'm too involved with Academia to let this sort of codwallops slip by to the diminution and disgrace of men who have had alterations to themselves done.

And apparently, one of those Academics who can give dissertation for years on end, without ever teaching anyone anything. A typical case of “I'm right, so fuck everyone else.”

IF we follow him, we then need to toss in all the men who have had to have surgical alterations for very threatening reasons. Until I was bagged by MS I was a Micro Neurosurgeon who spent hours over a table trying to save men who through no fault of their own were on the happy trail to being simply castrated or nullified. What I did to and for myself voluntarily, I was trying like hell to prevent for them. Very few successes but there were some. Kev, if I may be so personal, forgets there are thousands of men who fall in this category and have waked to find they're no longer a MAN. (Think of Ronald Reagan in "Kings Row".) While, Sir, you are out there in the surf and the spume trying to right the craft called correct scientific enquiry, watch it, there are sharks...

OK, the main thing here that everyone seems to be overlooking is this: we need a younger crop of interested persons involved in this topic. At 5x years of age, I'm the 'baby' here. Without an infusion of younger members, researchers, and even EA Staff, this topic (as well as this site) certainly will have a rapidly approaching expiration date.

As a self-proclaimed Academic, you of all people should realize that not every survey, topic, lecture, presentation, or WHATEVER goes over well with everyone. I am not overly thrilled with the layout and content of this survey. However, as Jesus has already posted, this is an educational experience for Kevin and those involved with him. Far too often, after finishing high school and moving on to University, I encountered professors with the attitude of “You don't belong here. You don't believe what I do. You don't already know the material! I'm perfect. You do everything wrong; you know nothing. Go away.” That is not what you're there for. You're there to educate.

If you find fault with this, or any other piece of research, you should point out the flaws and make suggestions to correct and improve the project – instead of just trashing it or making obnoxious comments such as “splashing in the surf.”

Thank You, Sir, for you unfailing patience for dealing with yahoos, or me.

You're welcome. The thread is still open.

[Paolo]

Sorry, Sir, but this boat got pushed out and now you want to go splashing in the surf to try and either do damage control or sink the ship. I'm sure you have at your fingertips the way into the ether to cloture all future discuss

ion but....Sir, that's not necessarily wise.

That's what the Admin's do. And no, I'm not going to arbitrarily close the thread, just b

ecause it's getting so many comments about this survey.

This alleged student has posed a frontal attack on all men whom, one feels, he finds to be different by design and will now put us under his cracked microscope to see what he can see; Let's just all send him our favourite porn site and that should divert him for several years. I will not be examined, even voluntarily, by some young persons who believes he's found a hot topic, one that will garner readers based on the title alone. And about that title. He says it's aimed at Eunuchs but doesn't seem to u

nderstand that everyman who may have diddled himself surgically down there is in their minds, a Eunuch.

Let's hold off on that until our Surveyor responds with what his intentions are, other than an academic study.

I was completely castrated, even threw in the scrotum as a door prize but I do not consid

er myself a Eunuch nor does my Urological Surgeon who performed the procedure. In my view,

I am a male who has had himself castrated for whatever ever reasons.

You'll probably need to take that one up with Mirriam-Webster, as far as the defintion.

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Young Kevin needs to have a far better grasp on defined terms before he brashly and insultingly writes up this ludicrous

"survey". As I said else where, who approved this? The Department of Eugenics?
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Jesus A. and Richard Wassersug, to the best of my knowledge, and th

e Staff. If we hadn't approved of this, we'd have pulled the link.

So, sir, don't pat me on the head and

tell me to go back in my hole and move on.

I'm

not a head-patter, thanks. My actions are almost always more violent.

I'

m too involved with Academia to let this sort of codwallops slip by to the diminution and disgrace of men who have had alterations to themselves done.

And apparently, one of those Academics who can give dissertation for years on end, without ever teaching anyone anything. A typical case of “I'm right, so fuck everyone else.”

IF we follow him, we then need to toss in all the men who have had to have surgical alterations for very threatening reasons. Until I was bagged by MS I was a Micro Neurosurgeon who spent hours over a table trying to save men who through no fault of their own were on the happy trail to being simply castrated or nullified. What I did to and for myself voluntarily, I was trying like hell to pr

event for them. Very few successes but there were some. Kev, if I may be so personal, forgets there are thousands of men who fall in this category and have waked to find they're no longer a MAN. (Think of Ronald Reagan in "Kings Row".) While, Sir, you are out there in the surf and the spume trying to right the craft called correct scientific enquiry, watch it, there are sharks...

OK, the main thing here that everyone seems to be overlooking is this: we need a younger crop of interested persons involved in this topic. At 5x years of age, I'm the 'baby' here. Without an infusion of younger members, researchers, and even EA Staff, this topic (as well as this site) certainly will have a rapidly approaching expiration date.

As a self-proclaimed Academic, you of all people should realize that not every survey, topic, lecture, presentation, or WHATEVER goes over well with everyone. I am not overly thrilled with the layout and content of this survey. However, as Jesus has already posted, this is an educational experience for Kevin and those involved with him. Far too often, after finishing high school and moving on to University, I encountered professors with the attitude of “You don't belong here. You don't believ

e what I do. You don't already know the material! I'm perfect. You do everything wrong; you know nothing. Go away.” That is not what you're there for. You're there to educate.

If you find fault with this, or any other piece of research, you should point out the flaws and make suggestions to correct and improve the project – instead of just trashing it or making obnoxious comments such as “splashing in the surf.”

Thank You, Sir, for you unfailing patience for dealing with yahoos, or me.

You're welcome. The thread is still open.

[fhunter]

Why did the 17 (underage) group get added to the legal ages?

Are you aware that age of consent is different all over the world? It is 16/18 here, where I live (consent vs marriage). It is 16-18 over USA, depending on state. It is 14 (I think, check it) in Japan. And so on.

[JesusA (imported)]

Paolo asked me to comment further on this thread, but I really don't have much to add to his post. The tiny group of moderators on this site are not getting any younger. Paolo, at 50+, is the baby of the group. Uncle Flo and I are in our 70s. Talula, who has managed the computer end of everything is getting ready to move on to other things. If the Archive is to continue for much longer, we need to bring in some new blood at the moderator level and someone new with computer skills. If we are to continue to see improvement in the way that the professional community (counselors, endocrinologists, surgeons) perceive voluntary eunuchs, we definitely need to educate a new generation of researchers.

Kevin Hsu is potentially a valuable academic research person who needs to be cultivated by providing him with good and valid information so that he's willing to return with his next project. Hopefully, a project well-informed by the data he collects on his first attempt. Provide good data. Provide helpful feedback to move Kevin in a useful direction.