HRT FREE... Eunuchs

[BiBikerFL (imported)]

I have never had a bone density test but I have had some serious falls and no bones were broken. I try to remember to take Calcium but not very good with supplements. One of my falls was down a 12 foot hill from a bike path to a river bed hitting every tree on the way. I had abrasions but no broken bones. When I first adopted my dog I was walking with him up the stairs to our second floor flat. Something caught his eyes and he went running back down the stairs and I in mid-step was pulled backwards and I hit every step on the way down. Still nothing broken and my former doctor was not interested in my bone density because after all that is a woman's issue.

I have had a number of falls and trips and my bones seem to handle the stress.

Hi Tugon,

Well aren't yo

u a bouncer.. LOL... I mentioned in an earlier post "If every other animal is healthy and fine after castration, why are men any different than any other animal? Don't hear about dogs, casts or livestock getting diabetes or heart disease or

osteoporosis from castration. Only positive results."

This is where I question commonly accepted understanding of castration and their side effects. We really don't know the results as there are so many variables. Diabetes and weight gain as well as osteoporosis among other side effects could also be related to over all general hearth, behaviors and habits. I would argue, that if one would eat only high quality organic foods and lean organic proteins and never touch processed foods with regular exercise, just how many of those side effects are actually associated with castration?

With many hundreds years of healthy animal castration, where is the evidence that somehow men are different? That is my question.

[sparkey49 (imported)]

A lot has to do with our diet and a lot of the calcium we get our bodies can't use due to pasteurization etc. You need calcium and magnesium as one can't work without the other so you need a balance eat lots of dark green vegetables to start with. 2.5 years no T and right now I am keeping it low and no bone issues.

[tugon (imported)]

Hi Tugon,

This is where I question commonly accepted understanding of castration and their side effects. We really don't know the results as there are so many variables. Diabetes and weight gain as well as osteoporosis among other side effects could also be related to over all general hearth, behaviors and habits. I would argue, that if one would eat only high quality organic foods and lean organic proteins and never touch processed foods with regular exercise, just how many of those side effects are actually associated with castration?

With many hundreds years of healthy animal castration, where is the evidence that somehow men are different? That is my question.

First I would say that most animals that are castrated do not live as long as a castrated men but I am expecting my beagle/hound mix to live a long life.

As far as diabetes I do not believe castration had anything to do with it since I had been hypoglycemic for years before castration which is a warning sign that diabetes is in your future. Genetically diabetes had run in the family for many generations. Even back in the days when people grew their own food and nothing was processed other than by canning, smoking or salting. If you do not have a family history of diabetes and are not currently having any issues I would not worry too much about it. None of my doctors had ever suggested T as a way to help with the diabetes.

I am certainly healthier after castration than I would have been without it. My sex addiction was driving me to some very risky sex that would probably have caused my death by now. I became trapped in a bad situation due to fulfilling a sexual desire. My castration was both gender based and as a cure for the addiction. I did not want to be a man and no desire to be a woman so transitioning to eunuch was the best choice for me. I did not become the person I imagined from reading fantasy but I became something better and enjoy living between male and female.

[BiBikerFL (imported)]

First I would say that most animals that are castrated do not live as long as a castrated men but I am expecting my beagle/hound mix to live a long life.

As far as diabetes I do not believe castration had anything to do with it since I had been hypoglycemic for years before castration which is a warning sign that diabetes is in your future. Genetically diabetes had run in the family for many generations. Even back in the days when people grew their own food and nothing was processed other than by canning, smoking or salting. If you do not have a family history of diabetes and are not currently having any issues I would not worry too much about it. None of my doctors had ever suggested T as a way to help with the diabetes.

I am certainly healthier after castration than I would have been without it. My sex addiction was driving me to some very risky sex that would probably have caused my death by now. I became trapped in a bad situation due to fulfilling a sexual desire. My castration was both gender based and as a cure for the addiction. I did not want to be a man and no desire to be a woman so transitioning to eunuch was the best choice for me. I did not become the person I imagined from reading fantasy but I became something better and enjoy living between male and female.

OK Tugon. You are the real deal. Thank you for being here.

I've had several email conversations with Dr. Richard Wassersug about all this and he also buys into the idea that castration contributes to diabetes, osteoporosis, etc. Maybe mostly because of weight gain for diabetes. And you are right about diabetes being around in the good old day too, but not nearly as prolific. Diabetes use to be only those that needing insulin. However now it is an epidemic because of processed foods, poor diet causing obesity. And ALL soft drinks are poison.

As a bi male, I feel as though I can related to both sides. As a eunuch your observation is middle grounds. Somewhere between male and female. I will love talk with you about this in August. I am quite fascinated in human evolution and I strongly believe we are seeing a evolution transition. With more females in decision and power positions and more men staying home or at least a participating partner with their wives in raising children, we are seeing a shift. The previous, "Protector Alpha male" is being replaced by the "beta supportive male" that can still provide and protect. I have great tactical grouping with my 9mm. Modern metro sexual males are and will be the preferred spouses for successful and powerful women as they don't need or want a alpha male because they are alpha females and two alphas don't mesh well. That and there are more females graduating with higher degrees than males now. Mostly I suspect because females are super communicators and in the age of social media and modern team building business models, females are more suited for our modern societies. That and over the last millennia, alpha males have been dying by the millions in battles and dangerous activities, while us beta butchers, bakers and candlestick makers have been staying back at home, causing a social More at a later time. Sorry for digressing.

Im thrilled to hear you slayed your kinky monster. I want to slain that dragon too. I'm not proud of it, but I use to frequent peep show and glory holes to such my fill of dick and I too am lucky I never picked up anything. I haven't done it in years even thought i have such desires. My testosterone is naturally so low now around preteen levels and my estrogen is high for an adult female. So I have mellowed down quite a bit since then. I see many parallels with a number of people here.

Here's to living between the lines.

[Begoneboy (imported)]

Hey BiBikerFL,

Your digress is a rather unique view of social patterns and their evolution.

Your assessments as to the reasons why we have these social shifts is spot on.

Glad to hear I am not alone in those ramblings.

Without testes I no longer have much "T" levels and loads of "E" over the years has

brought those levels to about half that of an adult female. But the calm of life is extremely

rewarding.

[BiBikerFL (imported)]

Hi Begoneboy,

So glad we share the same vision. Please share your thoughts. I would love to hear more. Your profile says you are null. What is that like to not have a penis either?

If that pic is you, it seems you identify as a female. Which might explain my question. I would love to learn more and continue our human evolution with you.

[Begoneboy (imported)]

Hi BiBikerFL,

It's not so much a question of identify male or female. Let's face it, with no penis or scrotum down there society seems

to place us in one of two categories regardless of what we think. And you can take it to the bank, the gay community most definitely

puts me into the female pigeon hole. I had been asked to leave more bath houses than you can shake a stick at once it was obvious

that there was nothing hanging down there for the other patrons to see and fondle. Shame on the gay community for being so bigoted

in that regard. Actually in many ways it has been the gay community that has driven me towards identifying outwardly as female.

And yes, the picture was taken a couple days ago which I initially used as my avatar. I decided to cartoonize the avatar so as not to

offend any on this forum. I am rather enjoying a place to share and not be judged harshly and blacklisted for not being in conformity with those in the forum. Again, I just share my own life's experiences and if it is helpful to others all the better. I am an electrical engineer by training which was during my youth a VERY male dominated world. Never understood why but it is/was a fact. When I graduated university there were no female

EE's that I knew of or could find. Naturally at that age I was completely intact so fit in with the industry. That quickly changed as I moved on in life. I rather enjoyed my work in alternative energy design before it was popular every much as I enjoy my alternative lifestyle since surgery.

Of course sharing what my career was is only to demonstrate that you can follow all of your dreams even nulled. Life can certainly go on normally and I hope to impress that on the many who are looking into this due to cancer. With the big "C" do whatever is needed to survive. The idea is to have life go on. And it can go on with very rich and satisfying results.

[Varys2013 (imported)]

I was a chemically castrated eunuch for 3 years. In the first few months, not a lot changed. But after about a year, I had serious fatigue problems and relentless hot flashes. At 18 months, I had a DEXA bone density scan. Alarmingly, my bone density had dropped from normal (T score 0) to osteopenia (T score -2.3), almost osteoporosis (T score < -2.5). That was fast by anything I've read. Bone density can be a real issue without testosterone.

I've been off of chemical castration now for a year and a few months. My T is back better than baseline. However, my last DEXA scan was still -2.0 despite everything I've done (supplements, exercise, even Prolia injections). We'll have to see how it changes with more time back on full testosterone. Of course, if I recur, I'll probably have surgical castration and will be right back in the soup regarding bone density losses.

[nutless1 (imported)]

Shame on we in the gay community that pigeonhole any person who appears different, and excludes those persons. One would believe that we , after all we have been through, would be the most compassionate and accepting of persons with differences. I guess stereotypes never die or pass on to something more inclusive.

Hi BiBikerFL,

It's not so much a question of identify male or female. Let's face it, with no penis or scrotum down there society seems

to place us in one of two categories regardless of what we think. And you can take it to the bank, the gay community most definitely

puts me into the female pigeon hole. I had been asked to leave more bath houses than you can shake a stick at once it was obvious

that there was nothing hanging down there for the other patrons to see and fondle. Shame on the gay community for being so bigoted

in that regard. Actually in many ways it has been the gay community that has driven me towards identifying outwardly as female.

And yes, the picture was taken a couple days ago which I initially used as my avatar. I decided to cartoonize the avatar so as not to

offend any on this forum. I am rather enjoying a place to share and not be judged harshly and blacklisted for not being in conformity with those in the forum. Again, I just share my own life's experiences and if it is helpful to others all the better. I am an electrical engineer by training which was during my youth a VERY male dominated world. Never understood why but it is/was a fact. When I graduated university there were no female

EE's that I knew of or could find. Naturally at that age I was completely intact so fit in with the industry. That quickly changed as I moved on in life. I rather enjoyed my work in alternative energy design before it was popular every much as I enjoy my alternative lifestyle since surgery.

Of course sharing what my career was is only to demonstrate that you can follow all of your dreams even nulled. Life can certainly go on normally and I hope to impress that on the many who are looking into this due to cancer. With the big "C" do whatever is needed to survive. The idea is to have life go on. And it can go on with very rich and satisfying results.

[Begoneboy (imported)]

Shame on we in the gay community that pigeonhole any person who appears different, and excludes those persons. One would believe that we , after all we have been through, would be the most compassionate and accepting of persons with differences. I guess stereotypes never die or pass on to something more inclusive.

OK nutless2b:

Just in case my remark may well have offended it was never intended to do so. And thank you so much for bringing to my attention

that words really do matter. In rambling we sometimes forget that our very ramblings may be better kept to ourselves. By the nature of things

I identify to the gay community and respond with it. Many commonly consider me to be gay and by definition I guess that is the case.

Even the gay community divides itself into pigeonholes as in LGBT & Q. I've personally never understood the distinctions or differences.

Especially if and when it concerns matters of the heart. They ought to also add the E for those of us who no longer fit into the commonly

understood. Let's face it, many of us simply cannot live successfully with male or female genitalia. I consider myself a fun, thoughtful, tender and loving human being. But as life has demonstrated throughout the years we never quite see ourselves as the rest of humanity sees us. We seldom

see our faults while others are more than happy to point them out. And as is often the case revel in them. Todays political environment is such a great example of exactly that with folks vehemently speaking and violently demonstrating and rioting against any view different than their own.

It's quite telling of where mankind is going.

I am physically and mentally turned on every bit as much by a striking example of the male physique as I am by the striking example of the female physique. An exquisite example of either or both can easily get the juices flowing. So the gay community calls that bi. I call it human.

We all make attempts to blend in with our surroundings whatever they might be. It's only natural to want to feel accepted by others. So in many ways it was sure to have been the strong desire to be accepted by others that my personal evolution presents a more female appearance on the outside. I say outside because on the inside I easily identify as either. In my lifetime I have legally and socially been a husband as well as a wife.

Both a father and a mother. Enjoyed sex and sensuality in both scenarios and continue to do so.

Oh my, I am again rambling on. But in many cases that is exactly what we all need. And this forum in all its glory has given a place

to do just that and a place to let out pent up anxieties and feeling I suspect. So thank you to each and every one of you for allowing me to

be a small part of this forum. A great place!