Research on using burdizzo on humans

[SplitDik (imported)]

I see both sides to this. On the one hand, the medical report I posted to start this thread isn't a comprehensive experiment -- other ways of applying the burdizzo weren't explored. However, I'm skeptical of those who are so certain that applying the burdizzo longer is really that helpful. I've had burdizzo applied to me unsuccessfully, and many others here have as well. The theory of how a burdizzo works is not really about long term clamping, but rather it is supposed to immediately damage the blood supply sufficiently to cause atrophy. The doctors here are using exactly the method used on animals (for which burdizzo is intended) and so it is reasonable that they did it the way they did. Human/primate testicles are quite different than herd animal testicles though so maybe a different application is better.

However, based on personal experience, actual medical literature, and quite a few acquaintances and fellow EA members who have tried burdizzo (including having it applied longer) the method is definitely not a certain path to castration. Which is my point for starting this thread. In any case, the medical paper makes it clear that using the official veterinary method of burdizzo application does not work reliably. Since doing human studies requires ethical review, just making up alternative methods to try on humans without any medical theory will never get approved for trial.

[Losethem (imported)]

Now now... Let's not be brutal over someone's hair...

I'm genuinely concerned for the world when it has so many people that so casually write off education. You know something, I spent a very long time in schools educating myself at great personal expense, and these folks that come along and say things like, "

Having a degree doesn't qualify them, it only qualifies them to an opinion and a guarantee they'll heard when they publish...

" are maddening.

Of course they're going to be heard before you. They've actually spent significant time studying what they're talking about.

Why is it maddening? Because people who educate themselves spend hours, theorizing, hypothesizing, testing, studying, finding out what works, what doesn't work, and so on to have their opinion. This to only be branded by someone who wants to feel important simply brushing off any notion that means anything, but people should listen to them because their armchair quarterback opinion should carry just as much weight.

So when Buster_007 wishes to spend significant time educating himself, I may wish to listen to his opinion on the subject. I'm happy to help educate, but I'm getting tired of hearing statements like the above, that do nothing more than let the author of the statement go, "Yay! I've negated the years that person spent educating themselves, now my opinion on the subject is just as valid as theirs..." I refuse to let them get away with it. Because guess what, your uninformed opinion is not as valid.

These folks are the same ,or at least similar to, those that write off science. "I don't believe in science..." they often say. Strangely, they love the things that science brings them, including the machine they use to spout their baseless opinions.

[ZeuterMe (imported)]

I'm genuinely concerned for the world when it has so many people that so casually write off education. You know something, I spent a very long time in schools educating myself at great personal expense, and these folks that come along and say things like, "

Having a degree doesn't qualify them, it only qualifies them to an opinion an

d a guarantee they'll heard when they publish...

" are maddening.

Of course they're going to be heard before you. They've actually spent significant time studying what they're talking about.

Why is it maddening? Because people who educate themselves spend hours, theorizing, hypothesizing, testing, studying, finding out what works, what doesn't work, and so on to have their opinion. This to only be branded by someone who wants to feel important simply brushing off any notion that means anything, but people should listen to them because their armchair quarterback opinion should carry just as much weight.

So when Buster_007 wishes to spend significant time educating himself, I may wish to listen to his opinion on the subject. I'm happy to help educate, but I'm getting tired of hearing statements like the above, that do nothing more than let the author of the statement go, "Yay! I've negated the years that person spent educating themselves, now my opinion on the subject is just as valid as theirs..." I refuse to let them get away with it. Because guess what, your uninformed opinion is not as valid.

These folks are the same ,or at least similar to, those that write off science. "I don't believe in science..." they often say. Strangely, they love the things that science brings them, includ

ing the machine they use to spout their baseless opinions.

I, for one, don't "believe in science." I follow the evidence.



(PS: Putting it like that makes it sound like an article of faith, not a process of empricism!)

[Losethem (imported)]

I, for one, don't "believe in science." I follow the evidence.



(PS: Putting it like that makes it sound like an article of faith, not a process of empricism!)

Science is the process of finding the evidence.

[jdleather (imported)]

Very interesting research report!

[ambiguous (imported)]

Perhaps this needs more research ?

I wonder if they need volunteers to help out with their experiments:D