Rehabilitative Castration in Oklahoma

[theemptyone (imported)]

I saw this (http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines-20 ... -offenders):

One State Just Announced Plans to CASTRATE Sex Offenders

Oklahoma has announced a new plan that has left sex offenders shaking with fear.

Following the example of Florida and California, Oklahoma State Senator Mark Allen has proposed a bill that would aim to chemically castrate violent sex offenders.

Under the new plan, first time sex offenders would have the option to undergo the castration process in exchange for an early release. Second time offenders, however, would be forced to be chemically castrated.

The bill has been controversial, but many who have worked with sex offenders think it is a great idea. David Slane, an attorney who has represented more than 500 sex offenders in court, is very much in favor of the bill:

“I remember one in particular who told me he went to his doctor voluntarily. He used this hormone therapy and, as he said, ‘It cured me. I no longer have the thoughts. I no longer have the sex drive.’ For years afterwards he had never reoffended. So to me, that was proof in the pudding. There may be something here.”

Though Slane has seen it work, he acknowledges there are still some issues with chemical castration.

“On the other hand, the idea that we would force drugs on people that have not been approved by the FDA would subject the state to lawsuits, and I feel like that part needs to be taken out,” Slane said.

Senator Allen, however, points to the results other states have had when he is confronted by detractors of the bill.

“The inmate has to go through counseling before going through the process,” Allen said. “I think they’ve had about a 90 percent success rate. If somebody wants an early release from prison they can go through the process.”

[bignutsac (imported)]

That's a disturbing and sexists law. What would the female version of it be for women offenders? What if its done on innocent prisoners?

[wannabe (imported)]

So in aid of equal rights, Woman can do what Men can.... except for rape? what a bullshit law, unless woman can have their ovaries chemically destroyed also

[C&TL2745 (imported)]

It's certainly an unequal law, but I notice that it's men who are proposing it, not women. What gives with that?

Sandi

[YodaNell (imported)]

I have been researching human sexuality for almost 10 years now and made some very interesting discoveries. I don't want to go into all that now but in keeping with the topic of this threat I have something to say. Please correct me if I'm wrong...

We all know what pedophilia is. I have however discovered that while there are children that are raped and sexually abused, the majority of children (specially boys) WANTS sex with an older man. I have seen so many material over the years where the kids enjoy the sex, not only with an older person but even among their own age group. Kids kiss, blow and even attempt penetration with each other and one can see in their faces that they enjoy it. This happens at ALL age levels.

My life partner told me he was so desperate at the age of 8 to have a sexual relationship with his teacher!

I came to understand that human sexuality is far more intriguing and misunderstood that we want to admit. It is only fools that will deny the fact that kids wants to be sexual active from a very young age. Now, I absolutely abhor the idea of children being raped, hurt and abused, but I'm not so sure anymore that I am qualified enough to judge human sexuality. People want sexual pleasure from a very young age right up to a very old age, And they want to do it with whomever they want to. Consider this:

Men with woman;

Men with children; (Julius Cesar must then be a pedophile)

Woman with children,

men with men;

woman with woman;

boys with boys;

girls with girls,

girl with grandpa;

grandma with boy;

woman with horses

etc.

It sounds horrible to our educated ears but try to deny that these things happen. It happens to all cultures and races. In biblical times boys and girls married at the onset of puberty...12 years old.

We are judging people on things that are part of society for millennia already. Who decides what sexual identity I should have. Who want to kill me because I'm gay and some hypocritical buffoon decided that being gay is wrong.

I can really go on and on about this topic, but I interviewed a pedophile (a word I HATE). He is a fantastic, intelligent man who has this incredible admiration for boys. He told me that no beautiful woman or handsome man comes close to the immensely beauty of a boy. His heart is not one of destruction to hurt or kill the boy. He wants to hold him while watching TV, cuddle the boy, take care of him in all the ways possible and in so many cases, the boy wants to have sex with him. It is a very intimate circle the two shares.

Now how can I judge this? Man marries a woman...the rest is wrong. Arrest them, kill them, castrate them...

I want to see someone change human sexuality to become only a "husband & wife" situation.

So in keeping with this threat I would say that (just like our community on the board), if an inmate wants castration, give it to him. It is HIS choice and reasons. Same thing for woman. Like I, myself, am SICK and TIRED of sexuality, so cut these darn genitals off and feed it to the sharks.

[SplitDik (imported)]

Yodanell, it is dangerous to assume that whatever people want to do is okay. Humans do things that are harmful to themselves and others all the time, based on their wants. The problem is that when humans started out, things that we needed were scarce so we developed (or were designed to have) strong desires for it. For example, the desire to eat fatty foods was important because otherwise we wouldn't have risked ourselves and expended the effort to hunt animals. Other people were scarce since population was low, so having sexual coupling whenever the opportunity arose was a "good" urge to have -- that is why men are always "ready to go".

Anyway, the problem is that in modern times we've found ways to use technology to change those scarcities into abundances. So if you crave fatty foods, it is possible to eat ice cream all day. If you crave pussy, you can look at pornography all day. And so on. These wants, which were important during early human society, are now often taken to excess and become a detriment.

So we need to be more refined and use our logic to control our wants. The wants are still there, but it is not clear that it is simply okay to follow them. And an important criteria is whether our wants are leading us to harm ourselves or others.

So even if a child is curious sexually and finds some adult who has a fetish for children, that does NOT actually mean it is simply okay.

Also, I would say that male sexuality isn't really that complicated. We just want to stick our dick in a hole. The only difference between guys is what kind of hole. Every guy basically has a fetish for whatever type of hole he likes. Wanting pussy is a fetish. Wanting a boy's bottom is a fetish. So when I hear you describe someone admiring boys, it is just showing that they are gripped by a fetish. It is not love or some higher thing. It is just the thing he wants to stick his dick in.

All this is "natural" and we can't deny that some such fetish lurks in everyone, but sorry I really object to trying to saying that just because a man has a strong fetish for a boy that we should just adjust societal attitudes and call it okay.

By the way, I'm pretty sure it is NOT true that most "

children (specially boys) WANTS sex with an older man

". I'm sure some do, but you're projecting your own fetish on everyone. Everyone does have a fetish, but that one is not the common one.

Anyway, the Eunuch Archive for some reason has a lot of people who skirt around pedophilic desires. Many of the stories in the archive are very disturbing but I am sort of okay with it since it is fiction and no one got hurt. But when you say "

I have seen so many material over the years where the kids enjoy the sex

" that is a pretty disturbing revelation.

It would be much better for the EA to keep away from these discussions. Aren't there boy-man love forums where you can discuss that among like-minded people without risking this community?

[YodaNell (imported)]

Hi SplitDik, nice to hear from you. Thank you for your input as I am definitely open to hear other's opinions regarding this issue.

Yodanell, it is dangerous to assume that whatever people want to do is okay...So even if a child is curious sexually and finds some adult who has a fetish for children, that does NOT actually mean it is simply okay.

I agree with you and I never implied that it is ok. Fact is that this is happening. It is not just a raping/abusing from a man to a child. Many times the kid wants it as well.

Also, I would say that male sexuality isn't really that complicated. We just want to stick our dick in a hole. The only difference between guys is what kind of hole. Every guy basically has a fetish for whatever type of hole he likes. Wanting pussy is a fetish. Wanting a boy's bottom is a fetish. So when I hear you describe someone admiring boys, it is just showing that they are gripped by a fetish. It is not love or some higher thing. It is just the thing he wants to stick his dick in...

Forgive me for saying but this statement is very narrow and from one perspective only. I know of boys who want more than just provide a "hole". The "sissyboy" wants a mate that will protect him and care for him and love him. I know some of those kids.

By the way, I'm pretty sure it is NOT true that most "

childre

n (specially boys) WANTS sex with an older man

". I'm sure some do, but you're projecting your own fetish on everyone. Everyone

does have a fetish, but that one is not the common one...

By "most children" I mean those whom I investigated in video clips. Out of a 100 video clips I can count two event where the child did not enjoy it...two girls...and they were crying. I was very upset in watching it. By "enjoying" I mean; laughing, playing around, tickling, kissing etc. There are no signs of involuntary sexual acts or

abuse present.

Let me also correct your statement:

"...but you're projecting your own fetish on everyone...".​ I can assure you I do NOT have any such fetish. I absolutely adore children. I think they are the most precious creatures on this planet. But I asked myself the question many times:

1) "What will I do if I find a man raping a child?"...That man will regret it for the rest of his miserable life;

2) "What will I do if I find a man and child having sex and they both want it and enjoy it?"...Honestly, at this point in my life I do not know.

I am a Christian and are "against" these sorts of sexual behaviors but I cannot burry my head in the dirt and imagine that these things do not take place.I know how we feel about kids and sex, specially with adults...but go do the research and you'll see a different picture...quite disturbing.

[Paolo]

I think we need a few sources cited here, and step back from any personal attacks.

This thread is on the verge of getting wiped.

[JesusA (imported)]

I'm going to strongly agree with Paolo on this one. This thread has been hijacked from a potentially useful discussion on castration and sex offenders. Over the past several years there have been a number of such discussions on the Archive, most of it civilized and well thought through. There is a large literature on the subject in various academic fields.

We do not need a discussion on the pros and cons of acting on pedophilic desires. It is illegal, for good reason, in every jurisdiction of which I am aware.

There are scattered reports by academics that a FEW children have not been harmed, but they are, by far, in the minority. No one can know in advance what harm will come to a child, so it is always unethical and immoral.

If I see any additional attempts to justify pedophilic activity involving real children, I will become the Temporary, Interim, Acting Evil Overlord and both close the thread and ban the individual involved.

Contact with some of the authors of fiction on the Archive finds that they are working through some of their own childhood trauma. Fiction can be a valuable exercise, where reality is not in this case. I would encourage the fiction for the possible benefit that it might have for some adults.

[Paolo]

No quotes, I'll just use bolder text.

I have been researching human sexuality for almost 10 years now and made some very interesting discoveries. I don't want to go into all that now but in keeping with the topic of this threat I have something to say. Please correct me if I'm wrong...

First off, I take it you're meaning “thread”, as in this discussion thread. Not 'threat'?

We all know what pedophilia is. I have however discovered that while there are children that are raped and sexually abused, the majority of children (specially boys) WANTS sex with an older man. I have seen so many material over the years where the kids enjoy the sex, not only with an older person but even among their own age group. Kids kiss, blow and even attempt penetration with each other and one can see in their faces that they enjoy it. This happens at ALL age levels.

Without going into a grammar lesson, as you can all study the origins of words on your own, let's make it clear here that pedophilia is NOT the be-all and end-all of sex offender...offenses, let's say. Any human being of any age and/or gender can be a victim of a sexual offense. The originating article is NOT exclusively directed at offenders who offended a child. Therefore, I fail to see how this thread suddenly went off in that direction.

As for materials on the matter of minors consenting to sexual relations with an adult, regardless of gender, this statement needs valid citations. I am disturbed by the statement: ...the majority of children (esc

pecially boys) WANTS sex with an older man.

As it stands, this statement is neither cited nor validated in any way. I have helped raise five boys, friends, relatives, and assorted others. I listen at youth sporting events, etc., where I am working. You overhear a lot. This statement is NOT something that I ever overheard, from anyone of any age. While I am not saying that are no minors (let's call them) out there who desire sex with an adult human, I certainly cannot accept the statement. Of course, it is generally accepted that boys not yet 18 do lust after women who are older than 18. However, again, I do not find the commonality nor acceptance of the idea that said boys<18 desire men>18.

As for sexual antics between minors, boys or not, between persons of similar age, yes, it happens. It is a fact that children can, and do, discover at sometimes young ages that activities that they might not know to be called “sexual” can feel good. Case in point, the six year old boy here has just discovered that his penis is good for more than peeing through. We will deal with this matter of “fiddling with it” in public in a tactful manner that he can understand.

Stating that “sexual antics” as described happens at all age levels is a bit broad, however. The more involved acts, I have found through listening to my boys, tend to occur near the start of puberty. Again, this is a statement that needs some citations.

My life partner told me he was so desperate at the age of 8 to have a sexual relationship with his teacher!

Possible, but not that common or probable. Unless someone can cite more sources? I cannot help but wonder about his upbringing to that point. Or this, perhaps, hindsight in adulthood?

I came to understand that human sexuality is far more intriguing and misunderstood that we want to admit. It is only fools that will deny the fact that kids wants to be sexual active from a very young age.

Stop right there. Don't make any broad generalizations. I cannot help but think that just because the six year old here likes to fiddle with his penis, that he's entertaining thoughts of having someone else do it for him, or vice versa.

Now, I absolutely abhor the idea of children being raped, hurt and abused, but I'm not so sure anymore that I am qualified enough to judge human sexuality. People want sexual pleasure from a very young age right up to a very old age, And they want to do it with whomever they want to. Consider this:

Very likely, no one is. However, we abide by what rules are generally accepted in our respective cultures. The wants of the individual, whether moral in his own eyes and/or the eyes of the public, must adhere to such.

Men with woman;

Etc., edited.

I see no need to cite these examples again.

Men with children; (Julius Cesar must then be a pedophile)

Save for this one. And how did we get here again?

Historically, it has been accepted in some cultures that sexual activities not be limited by age, etc. However, this is not the case, so far as I know, in most of our “civilized” (I use that word loosely) cultures. Yes, the practice of sex with children has been accepted in the past, may still be in some obscure cultures, but that's not the majority of cases today. Times change.

It sounds horrible to our educated ears but try to deny that these things happen. It happens to all cultures and races. In biblical times boys and girls married at the onset of puberty...12 years old.

Let's not open that can of worms, unless we want to get into stoning disobedient sons to death, or selling daughters into slavery.

We are judging people on things that are part of society for millennia already. Who decides what sexual identity I should have?. Who want to kill me because I'm gay and some hypocritical buffoon decided that being gay is wrong?

I assume these are questions? Over time, laws and beliefs have changed. It's a fact. It's also a fact, that if you want to get Biblical, then that said buffoon is that fellow who, in the beginning, created the heavens and the earth. In other words, GOD.

I can really go on and on about this topic, but I interviewed a pedophile (a word I HATE). He is a fantastic, intelligent man who has this incredible admiration for boys. He told me that no beautiful woman or handsome man comes close to the immensely beauty of a boy. His heart is not one of destruction to hurt or kill the boy. He wants to hold him while watching TV, cuddle the boy, take care of him in all the ways possible and in so many cases, the boy wants to have sex with him. It is a very intimate circle the two shares.

And depending on the laws regarding sexual activities with a person<18 years old, or age of consent in the area, if sexual activities DO take place, then you're an accessory. I, for one, would not go about advertising that I know of such activities, and I'm seriously considering pulling this off this board for the possible ramifications it could have.

I will not bring my own personal experiences into this, which took place when I was <14, but suffice it to say it was not what I thought it would be – and had dire consequences thereafter. Enough said.

Now how can I judge this? Man marries a woman...the rest is wrong. Arrest them, kill them, castrate them...

The article pertains to those convicted of some offense. The article wasn't one about the sanctity of marriage, heterosexual or not. It was about sex crimes.

I want to see someone change human sexuality to become only a "husband & wife" situation.

Back the truck up there. I'm confused? So if your partner is male, and you're male – or eunuch – then isn't there a conflict of interest here? Perhaps a language barrier glitch in your intent? That's a pretty heavy-handed statement to make, too. I mean, what with the gay marriage issues, and all? Please clarify.

So in keeping with this threat (thread?)

I would say that (just like our community on the board), if an inmate wants castration, give it to him. It is HIS choice and reasons. Same thing for woman. Like I, myself, am SICK and TIRED of sexuality, so cut these darn genitals off and feed it to the sharks.

Well, finally, a statement that makes sense.