My Experience: A month of Androcur turned out to be permanent.

[erikboy (imported)]

Erikboy, you're thinking of Propecia.

Yes, it was propecia. And its active ingredient is finasteride.

[gloriacowper (imported)]

Hi gloriacowper, are you sure it's HCG and not HGH (Human Growth Hormone)? Doing bodybuilding myself, I know bodybuilders use HGH. HCG is a hormone produced in the placentas of woman.

Just wondering.:-\

Hi YodaNell. Here is a link I found. It talks about how bodybuilders use HCG to reverse the testicular atrophy caused by use of anabolic steroids: http://www.defymedical.com/resources/he ... ne-therapy

SplitDik, do you think this is still reversible? While I liked the sexual side effects, I do not care for the change that happened in my body fat distribution and the size of my nipples. (Insurance paid for the removal of breast tissue, but not any excision of fatty tissue nor resizing the nipples. Now I'm all flabby.)

[YodaNell (imported)]

Hi YodaNell. Here is a link I found. It talks about how bodybuilders use HCG to reverse the testicular atrophy caused by use of anabolic steroids: http://www.defymedical.com/resources/he ... ne-therapy

Hi gloriacowper, thanks for the link. Ok I see what you mean. Even though the hormone is only produced by woman, men can be injected with it to gain certain benefits like testicle enlargement after it shuts down from long term testosterone use.

Correct me when I'm wrong. Your doctor noticed your testicles are extremely small (peppercorns) caused by the Androcur (this normally happens with long term Testosterone use as well). He injected you with HCG in an attempt to enlarge your testicles again. After a while he noticed that the HCG did not work, because the testicles are dead (atrophied). Now he recommends removing them.

Did you tell your doctor about the Androcur? Is he also mystified be your body's reaction to this sort term Adrocur use?

I feel sorry for you not being able to sprout any kids in the future. This was a terrible thing that happened to you.

I hope that other guys who consider using (experimenting) these drugs learn from your experience. The same is true with penis and balls banding as well. If you still want to have kids, leave your genitals alone! Do all these things only if you want to be an Eunuch.

[ZeuterMe (imported)]

I don't know about story guys, what do you think?

Can fatty deposits occur like that after only 3 weeks? I mean, T takes at least 10 days just to kick in before even starting doing it's work...what about Androcur? After I got castrated, my body firstly had to work out the T that was still in my body. That alone took weeks. My fat deposits did not change for many months after that. Androcur must first kick in, T must reduce and then fat will change. The quoted statement sounds pretty unbelievable.

I know from reading a scientific paper a few years ago that testosterone levels absolutely plummet after castration, reaching eunuch levels in a matter of hours. I'll try to find it again so I can cite it.

I suspect the answer is a pre-existing - but sub-clinical - condition.

I can, however, cite this now: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/scie ... sperm.html - apparently, starting a family isn't out of the question, it's just delayed.

The one in question, however, has not turned up after 30 minutes on Google Scholar.

On the other hand, a different paper finds that "It is concluded that (1) male rats may retain all components of sex behavour for relatively long periods after castration although the extent of retention is vairable, and (2) in the early postoperative period the ejaculatory mechanism is facilitated, although sexual ‘arousal’ is inhibited." ( http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 7266800829 ) Astonishingly, "in one animal an ejaculatory pattern was noted 147 days after castration." This is in spite of the fact that nobody would claim that testosterone sticks around for half a year after castration. Clear evidence, I should point out, that coping is possible.

Gloria, I hope that your coping or recovery - whichever happens - goes smoothly, and I'm sorry about the unplanned effects. :/

[Frida G Cavic (imported)]

I don't know about story guys, what do you think?

Can fatty deposits occur like that after only 3 weeks? I mean, T takes at least 10 days just to kick in before even starting doing it's work...what about Androcur? After I got castrated, my body firstly had to work out the T that was still in my body. That alone took weeks. My fat deposits did not change for many months after that. Androcur must first kick in, T must reduce and then fat will change. The quoted statement sounds pretty unbelievable.

Gynecomastia can re-occur but only if you use much higher dosages of T or A over an extended amount of time.

In my case It takes a month and a half on androcur when fat redistribution became apparent : Under Belly, slight gynecomastia, legs, no much in hips and buttocks. I think It could be due to genetics and basically caused by the progestin-like effect of androcur instead a decreased T:-\

Furthermore, It´s hard to believe that androcur on a short-time may cause a permanent castration as gloria has said

[_g (imported)]

In my case It takes a month and a half on androcur when fat redistribution became apparent : Under Belly, slight gynecomastia, legs, no much in hips and buttocks. I think It could be due to genetics and basically caused by the progestin-like effect of androcur instead a decreased T:-\

Furthermore, It´s hard to believe that androcur on a short-time may cause a permanent castration as gloria has said

He was unlucky at the end of the bell curve. That is way the quote "Your mileage may very" for some it will take years for the testicles to atrophy, but for most it's way more than a year.

_g

[gloriacowper (imported)]

Hi gloriacowper, thanks for the link. Ok I see what you mean. Even though the hormone is only produced by woman, men can be injected with it to gain certain benefits like testicle enlargement after it shuts down from long term testosterone use.

Correct me when I'm wrong. Your doctor noticed your testicles are extremely small (peppercorns) caused by the Androcur (this normally happens with long term Testosterone use as well). He injected you with HCG in an attempt to enlarge your testicles again. After a while he noticed that the HCG did not work, because the testicles are dead (atrophied). Now he recommends removing them.

Did you tell your doctor about the Androcur? Is he also mystified be your body's reaction to this sort term Adrocur use?

I feel sorry for you not being able to sprout any kids in the future. This was a terrible thing that happened to you.

I hope that other guys who consider using (experimenting) these drugs learn from your experience. The same is true with penis and balls banding as well. If you still want to have kids, leave your genitals alone! Do all these things only if you want to be an Eunuch.

Hi, sorry for the late response. I've been out of town seeing family. Lots of comments from older generations about how I've put on weight. Ugh.

No, I did not get HCG at all. The endocrinologist says that this is not a therapy he uses. I think he associates it with steroid use. I can always see another doctor.

I did not tell my doctor about the androcur. I'm afraid to. I live in a very conservative part of the country in a small town. Maybe if one of the nurses blabs to someone else that I'm a "deviant" then my business will suffer. Anyone here who is "deviant" is automatically a pedophile or something. If they put me on TRT, I'll DEFINITELY lose my balls if I haven't already.

I think, like others have said, I am on the low end of the bell curve. I think I have always had low testosterone, as I had pretty bad gynecomastia when i went through puberty, always had puffy nipples and a pretty small penis that I felt didn't grow much during puberty, and I also have a pretty high voice that might be the result of really low T. In middle and high school I ran track in boxer shorts, which the doctors told me had given me pretty big varicocoeles, which can also cause testicular atrophy and lack of function if not treated. Being in small country farm people, we could not afford the surgery to correct. Then one year during football, I suffered a testicular torsion in my right testicle. I got it fixed, but i dont know if that also caused damage. Combine all that with the fact that I've enjoyed playing with my parents' farm's elastrator since I was about 16, and that my ex wife used to bite my balls (on the cords) during rough play, I have probably sustained enough damage to my testes to keep me at the lowest possible functioning level. The androcur probably knocked out whatever I had left with one punch and when all my fat started putting off all this estrogen, it didn't let my T production start back up.

I would advise everyone to be very careful even with a "trial run" of anything like this. I knew the risks going in and I took the chance. I lost the gamble and now I probably don't have my balls. I know for a lot of guys here, that's probably a dream scenario, but the point of a trial run is to see if it's something you really want. It wasn't what I wanted, but I got it anyway. "YMMV" means anywhere from no effect at all to complete castration, so PLEASE BE CAREFUL!

I appreciate everyone's comments. God bless you all in your endeavors.

[daifu-orchid (imported)]

Yes, good advice: Be Careful!

-But take cheer. Losing the nuts is quite the adjustment, but after a while not a bad condition at all, even enjoyable. There's plenty of folks here to help with coming to terms with how it is.

Having enjoyed being a fine M, maybe time to learn the delights of E? I have certainly enjoyed both, and believe that life may be lived to the full in many conditions. There are certainly plenty here: M->E, M->N, M->F, and doubtless more experienced by turns.

Life is good and there are many ways to learn to have the best of it!

[Tany Squirrel (imported)]

Having read this thread ( albeit a rather old one) , there is something to be said about this.

One has to consider, that if you have Gyneomastia or Kleinfelter's syndrome, you *may* be more prone to aromatization of testosterone into estrogen. This takes place in fatty deposits, (particularly the breast fat area as well).

If Gloriacowper had gynecomastia, and the fact that the areola's grew to 2.5 inches, this is a good indication that even the low T, whatever was free , was converted into Estrogen. This is of course, speculative, and with the reduction of the volume of the testicles, it would seem that the "positive " feed loop from hypothalamus and pituitary to testicles was closed. It creates a negative-feedback loop, where it tells the body to no longer produce testosterone, and in conjuction the adrenal glands and subcutaneous fat deposits were told to aromatize the T into E.

Once this "reprogramming" of the hypothalamus is complete, I do not think it is reversible. There are anecdotal stories on Transfemme website, where users of their product (mainly bovine ovaries and other glandulars, such as pituitary) experience the same "permanent" negative feedback loops where the remaining T is converted to E and feminization continues even after use of the product. (all of course subject to scrutiny).

So, with "milage may vary" in mind, pre-existing conditions of Gynecomastia theorheticaly would allow the Androcur to basically "nuke" what was left of the testosterone, and encourage the testicles to shut down completely, and use what is left via the subcutaneous fat conversion to exacerbate (or make worse), the pre-existing condition.

Be careful what you wish for. You may get it, but not how you wanted it.

[nutless1 (imported)]

Wow! What interesting information. I wonder if the result is more widespread than just with this syndrome.

Having read this thread ( albeit a rather old one) , there is something to be said about this.

One has to consider, that if you have Gyneomastia or Kleinfelter's syndrome, you *may* be more prone to aromatization of testosterone into estrogen. This takes place in fatty deposits, (particularly the breast fat area as well).

If Gloriacowper had gynecomastia, and the fact that the areola's grew to 2.5 inches, this is a good indication that even the low T, whatever was free , was converted into Estrogen. This is of course, speculative, and with the reduction of the volume of the testicles, it would seem that the "positive " feed loop from hypothalamus and pituitary to testicles was closed. It creates a negative-feedback loop, where it tells the body to no longer produce testosterone, and in conjuction the adrenal glands and subcutaneous fat deposits were told to aromatize the T into E.

Once this "reprogramming" of the hypothalamus is complete, I do not think it is reversible. There are anecdotal stories on Transfemme website, where users of their product (mainly bovine ovaries and other glandulars, such as pituitary) experience the same "permanent" negative feedback loops where the remaining T is converted to E and feminization continues even after use of the product. (all of course subject to scrutiny).

So, with "milage may vary" in mind, pre-existing conditions of Gynecomastia theorheticaly would allow the Androcur to basically "nuke" what was left of the testosterone, and encourage the testicles to shut down completely, and use what is left via the subcutaneous fat conversion to exacerbate (or make worse), the pre-existing condition.

Be careful what you wish for. You may get it, but not how you wanted it.