My Experience: A month of Androcur turned out to be permanent.

[gloriacowper (imported)]

Hello all. I'm a longtime lurker, but this is my first post here.

I wanted to tell my story and compare notes to see if any of you guys have had the same experience. To summarize, I used a little over a month of Androcur at 100mg/day and I ended up being permanently castrated.

I have always been interested in castration and penectomy, even when I was a child. When I saw that I could try out the effects of castration with chemicals, I wanted to try it. I did all my research and found that Androcur (siterone) would be the best thing to try. In the course of my research, I understood that there is a small chance that the changes could be permanent. I really wanted to see what it was like to live my life without Testosterone, so I accepted that risk and went ahead and bought 200 pills from a reputable online source. My plan was to take a month or so of the pills and taper it off slowly to nothing. I got to 3 weeks and I loved the feeling of being without testosterone. No random or nocturnal erections, my testicles seemed smaller and really soft. I also noticed that my scrotum skin got completely relaxed at all times and felt soft like velvet. (Did anyone else get that effect?). I also noticed that every day when I would masturbate, I would ejaculate less and less and it was always getting clearer.

I had a few negative-ish consequences as well: I started getting soft fatty tissue around my hips, waist and belly. I also started to grow breasts. I had had gynecomastia as a teenager and I always had puffy nipples, so it's no surprise that my breasts started growing pretty quickly.

Anyway, after 3 weeks, I noticed that even though I had all these exciting changes, I had started to feel really depressed. I was already under a lot of stress at work, and I knew that I had to be at 100% so I started decreasing my dose each week. I went from 100mg/day to 50mg/day, then after a week I took 25mg/day. After that last week I stopped taking the pills altogether. It had been 6 weeks.

I expected at this time that things would start returning to normal, but they did not. I was in for a whole new normal. It has been a year and 2 months since I took that last pill, and since then, my breasts grew to a B-cup (I had a double mastectomy 3 months ago for that. I didn't like having breasts and my nipples had become about 2.5 inches in diameter), I got more fat in female-pattern areas, I am completely impotent, and my testicles have shrunken down to the size of a peppercorn. The cords are bigger than the balls themselves. I got my levels tested and my testosterone is at 16ng/dl. I never had a big penis to start with, but I think after not being erect for a year, it's completely done for. It looks like a little acorn above a loose, empty sack. My doctor says that HCG would not work anymore, and that my atrophied testicles are a risk. He says it's advisable to remove them. This is not what I wanted, but I knew the risks going in... I'm only 29 and I kind of hoped to have a family some day, but that's not going to happen with a dead dick and no balls.

I want to know if anyone else has had this kind of experience. I was kinda overweight to start with, which probably is what caused me to have such high estadiol levels. Did anyone else notice the extremely soft scrotum skin? Has anyone else used a short term of Androcur and have the effects be permanent?

[YodaNell (imported)]

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I had a few negative-ish consequences as well: I started getting soft fatty tissue around my hips, waist and belly. I also started to grow breasts. I had had gynecomastia as a teenager and I always had puffy nipples, so it's no surprise that my breasts started growing pretty quickly...

I don't know about story guys, what do you think?

Can fatty deposits occur like that after only 3 weeks? I mean, T takes at least 10 days just to kick in before even starting doing it's work...what about Androcur? After I got castrated, my body firstly had to work out the T that was still in my body. That alone took weeks. My fat deposits did not change for many months after that. Androcur must first kick in, T must reduce and then fat will change. The quoted statement sounds pretty unbelievable.

Gynecomastia can re-occur but only if you use much higher dosages of T or A over an extended amount of time.

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and my testicles have shrunken down to the size of a peppercorn. The cords are bigger than the balls themselves...

The guys using Calcium Chloride should consider using Androcur instead. No pain and permanent results after a year. (Sorry, I couldn't resist this fun )

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and that my atrophied testicles are a risk. He says it's advisable to remove them...

I'm not sure what this means. "At risk" of what? If they are as small as peppercorns (3mm in diameter), I would think they are dead! Useless. Your doc want to "remove" what? If they have "atrophied", they should disappear eventually.

Normally, potential Eunuchs go chemical to test the effects of castration. Should they dislike the feeling, they stop using Androcur and return back to normal. This is the first time I heard a story where fat deposits, huge breasts grows and testicles atrophies...all in 12 months after using A for 1 month. For these changes to occur, one's body must be saturated with T or A for a long time. Androgenic changes (aromatization) cannot take place without those hormones. I was under the impression that Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is a hormone has only women have. I could be wrong on this one.

Please forgive me gloriacowper, I do not intend to be rude or anything, but you are either the luckiest "Eunuch" on earth, or this story is not true. Still I could be wrong and therefore give you the benefit of the doubt. Strange indeed.

[GenChick (imported)]

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my testicles have shrunken down to the size of a peppercorn. The cords are bigger than the balls themselves. I got my levels tested and my testosterone is at 16ng/dl. I never had a big penis to start with, but I think after not being erect for a year, it's completely done for. It looks like a little acorn above a loose, empty sack...

So what is it? Make up your mind! Upload the photo; I want to see this miracle!

[gloriacowper (imported)]

Hi YodaNell, I'm not offended that you might doubt my story. Things happened extremely fast for me compared to what I have seen of the experience of others. I never got tested for a baseline T level before starting, but I suspect that I had low-T before any of this, and I'm sure because of being overweight caused me to have higher-than-normal estradiol. This is probably why I always had puffy nipples and had gynecomastia as a teen.

I have measured and it looks like I exaggerated on the size. My testicles are about 1/2 inch in diameter and seem mostly round, not oblong. The doctor said that sometimes an atrophied part does not get absorbed all the way into the body after blood flow has stopped, and can be a cancer risk later in life. He said it's up to me but it is "advisable" to remove at some point.

I don't really count myself as "lucky" in this, as I only wanted it to be a trial, and not the full thing. There's no sense in regretting, since I did it, and it happened.

HCG is something that doctors often use to help fertility in men who have testicular atrophy, and it is also what weightlifters use to kick their testosterone production back on as part of their steroid cycle.

Edit: i had 1.2 inches but i meant 1/2. I apologize.

[SplitDik (imported)]

I actually think you have a severe case of placebo syndrome. Basically, it is a very well documented fact that people who know they are taking a drug will report that it is doing the things it is expected to do -- even when the drug they are taking doesn't actually do anything. It is sort of related to self-hypnosis, which may also be part of what you're experiencing.

Basically, I'm pretty confident that Androcur cannot do what you said. The "permanent" side effect is something that might happen after years of continual use of the drug.

However, I think it is quite possible that if you were already hypodgonal that you have convinced yourself that you are castrated. You already had softness, breast development and small balls, and now they just seem so much smaller.

If you don't believe in the power of such self-image, think of syndromes like anorexia -- a person who isn't fat at all thinks they need to lose weight so much that they can actually die! And conversely, look at all the people who think they're cool but really aren't -- they have a self-image and that is where they operate from when they see themselves in a mirror.

Anyway, I'm not criticizing at all. I think it is a good thing -- you seem to have a self-image now that matches what you wanted. But medically I don't think Androcur has any chance of doing what you said.

[YodaNell (imported)]

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HCG is something that doctors often use to help fertility in men who have testicular atrophy, and it is also what weightlifters use to kick their testosterone production back on as part of their steroid cycle...

Hi gloriacowper, are you sure it's HCG and not HGH (Human Growth Hormone)? Doing bodybuilding myself, I know bodybuilders use HGH. HCG is a hormone produced in the placentas of woman.

Just wondering.:-\

[YodaNell (imported)]

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If you don't believe in the power of such self-image, think of syndromes like anorexia -- a person who isn't fat at all thinks they need to lose weight so much that they can actually die!...

Hey SplitDik!...it works the other way as well. My life partner is FAT (136Kg - 299 pounds). Every now-and-then I notice him looking in a mirror saying "I'm so thin"! Also, he is turning 60 and his face is starting to show like contour maps of Scotland. When he shaves in the morning I also hear him say "What a good skin I got on my face"! Hiehiehiehie. I just cannot resits bringing him back to earth.

Shame...I gossiped a bit but I truly love my partner. We are great friends and brothers in Christ.

[Kangan2008 (imported)]

I have to take this thread with a bit of salt. It *might* be true - or it *might* be fantasy....

[erikboy (imported)]

I have read experiences and also some medical articles about endocrine system shutdown after Androcur and other T-blockers usage. But as I remember it works littlebit different. First system restarts again and after a while shuts down. Or was it that T-receptors became damaged... I can't remember.

I think the article was related to some drug against baldness, which acts similar to Androcur.

[Paolo]

Erikboy, you're thinking of Propecia.