After your surgery: Did you tell your friends about your surgery? Reactions?

[TgEunuch (imported)]

Good luck on the 23rd with your urologist, hopefully your empty bag can be removed on your health provider's dime. Smooth is definitely the way to go!

[TgEunuch (imported)]

Good luck on the 23rd with your urologist, hopefully your empty bag can be removed on your health provider's dime. Smooth is definitely the way to go!

Kristoff, I hear you. On my last visit to my urologist I mentioned that that the empty bag was very uncomfortable. He then asked whether I wanted him to put something in it and I laughed and told him I would rather have it removed. He told me to come and see him when I was ready. Since this is basically an elective procedure and very expensive here in Australia I will have to wait and save up. I am seeing a general surgeon on October 23rd to see whether I can have it done through Medicare as a necessity in which case if it can be done will cost me nothing.

[Frida G Cavic (imported)]

There appears to be a big difference toward sex related surgeries with respect to gender. There appears to be a big negative view toward castration and/or penectomy. However, the same negative does not exist with respect to masectomy, hysterectomy, or removal of the ovaries. Whis is this?

Since does not exist any more male castration as a way in that powerful men kept an eye on their harems, A man who desires on his own willing being castrated is seen as a terrible insult to masculinity . An affront to his male condition. It means that a man is giving up his capacity of reproducing and to perpetuate the species. Never should be accepted. Curiously all men around become extremely ofended, upset,scary and mocking when they hear that another man desires to be castrated, because subconsciously his mainliness is compromised.. when a woman hear that need to be ovarian removal generally think in health problems and that she never birth another child

When one young cousin was diagnosticated of complicated polycystic ovaries both must to be removed . I remeber that my relatives said: Poor of her she, can´t never have any children . I can Imagine that a man whose testes have been removed for health reasons people would say: Poor man his balls had being removed to save his life. But when for voluntary castration people will say he is a gay mad. I've never heard that a woman want to have an ovarian removal for a different reason besides a health issue or that she was a FtoM. I think is due she are not so trouble for hipersexuality and many of us wan to be castrated for high libido among other reasons.

Another thing is the fact that contraceptive methods are focused on women. A man hardly accept take some drug and become impotent only for not have more children. Even vasectomy is not well accepted.

Ignorant and phobic people(including both man and woman) usually classify sexual diversity in only one form: gay. A castrated man is a gay for them.Doesnt matter if he has a family and children

,For them castrated, transgender, bisexual, intersexual, heterosexual-androgynous. all they are queers They dont´see difference and all mentioned are homosexual and according to them their are mad.

Summarizing There are many factors that genital men removal is not well seen: psysicological , cultural, social and a biological (especies-perpetuation) factors are involved. A man must to be strong for shield his familiy and provide food. So he need his testes to survive and protect his children and for primitive instincts need to seek for another female and competing with another males to spread his genes. The same is for penectomy. Penis has been considered the greater symbol of power and strenght for centuries in most cultures(e.g. phallic sculptures and monoliths). Lossing it would mean loss ranking, power and would mean the man´s degradation, all this of course, under a view of a sexist and male-dominant society.

Not all people have the same mind though. I´ve had , very few I must to say, male-friends very understanding and supportive about gender and sex.diversity. But they are the less.

[Woggler58 (imported)]

I’m not quite ready for orchiectomy surgery yet but I’m reconciled to it probably happening within a few months to “cut off” my natural testosterone (T) supply to suppress fast-rising PSA-indicated recurrence of my prostate cancer.

Background: see my EA Profile and this EA post (http://forums.eunuch.org/showthread.php ... post248751). Because there is adequate, life-prolonging medical necessity to go off T, my own reputation is not at much risk by matter-of-factly disclosing how I would obtain that major endocrine alteration.

Seven years ago when I was first diagnosed and disclosed it to a few relatives and friends, some of them (plus those whom they told) asked what I was going to do for curative treatments. I answered in detail and included a summary of the disease, the range of treatments, the 80% probability of a long-term cure, and what would happen if that cure later failed – a plan B salvage treatment as a second bite at the curative apple if feasible, or plan C’s systemic testosterone deprivation. I explained that plan C is accomplished by either suppressing testicular production of T by drugs developed for that purpose or by surgical removal of one’s testicles. Nobody reacted at all, let alone adversely. That unlikely prospect of needing plan C back then has now become much more likely. I have no qualms about revealing that I will be going off T and onto at least low-dose estrogen, and that I expect to be noticeably affected thereafter in physique, personality, and energy level.

The (on-topic) concern I have is how far to go in revealing that I chose surgical castration as my favored way of going T-free, thus rejecting the preference of 75% of relapsed prostate cancer patients for taking periodic shots of Lupron. Do I only say that orchiectomy is quicker and more certain, ignoring that both methods are Medicare-covered and of equal no-cost to me? Do I reveal that testicle possession as an essential part of my self-identity simply isn’t true of me anymore? And that I believe patients’ resort to Lupron is a cave-in to that lingering cultural stigma that equates testicle possession with being worthy and respectable?

What about me revealing the additional truth that since 1969, I’ve had a fascination with castration as related in EA here? (http://forums.eunuch.org/showthread.php ... post247881) And do I add that since 1987, I’ve nurtured a perverse, erotic fetish-like desire, not to be T-free but to myself undergo (HRT-mitigated) surgical castration, a fantasy boosted by BME’s FAQ pages in 1997 and EA stories soon thereafter, not lessening at all when my prostate cancer treatment studies in 2007 posed about a 20% chance of it someday being offered to me as disease treatment?

I’ve already been enjoying writing up my portending need to go T-free and that I would embrace Dr. Richard Wassersug’s personal experience-based, media-published advice for prostate cancer eunuchs to embrace (rather than resist) their new status and make the most of it. (EA’s forum has been a huge help to me in understanding what’s coming and to become emotionally accepting of it.) I can candidly explain the resulting M to E transition and that an empty scrotum will provide me a reminder several times a day that I’m now in a post-andropause stage of life, far more completely than men normally drift toward in their senior years. I’m interested in making an adventure of it same as for other unsought status change challenges earlier in my life. Most all my friends and relatives would have this disclosed to them. Those few who can understand how erotic fetishes can catch anyone’s fancy would also be told that opting for surgical castration fulfills my last remaining genital mod fetish as an incidental fringe benefit of a survival-extending surgical procedure. I merely opt to have my doctor use a scalpel once instead of syringes lots of times.

[Heinrich (imported)]

Almost everyone I talk to regularly knows. No negative reactions except sometimes initially they were confused why I would do it.

I am very open about it with everyone. Men are a lot nicer to me now as I look more and more feminine and I've noticed they stare at me a lot.

I wasn't surprised by their acceptance I was expecting it.

[daifu-orchid (imported)]

H, a brave soul, and a remarkable personality to make a public success of enjoying the eunuch difference. Good for you!

Most men here reluctantly accept male genital surgery for saving life, but otherwise only female (why?). Maybe a regional difference in attitudes, but many things here are very "Southern"; the civil war, or "War of Northern Aggression" is spoken of as if it is still being fought today. Maybe not many would accept one like H who is deliberately and happily less male -and has the courage to say so. An example to us all, to be who we are!

[YodaNell (imported)]

Most people I know is aware of my nullification, even my boss. None of my family or friends care or look differently knowing what they know. There are some friends who feel "so sorry" for me not being able to make love to a woman again. They cannot understand why I do not go nuts with sexual frustration.

Our historic turbulence in South Africa (as well are our liberal constitution) has moulded our diverse nation into (maybe forced) tolerance for each other. Hell, you offend somebody, they sue you. People generally avoid putting their noses into other's business, politics excluded. I would walk nude in the gym and nobody seems to notice that I have no genitals. Men generally don't dare to look other men "down there" in fear of being labelled a "moffie" (gay). And if a guy did notice, I have not heard about it. Incidentally, I noticed two other men (a white man and a black man) in the gym who had no penis. They also walk around the locker room with no care in the world. I guess it's true what daifu-orchid said: "...

Maybe a regional difference in attitudes...

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I actually don't mind if people know. Why go through all that life altering experience but it can't be shared. It is like building a nice muscular body in the gym, but can't show it to anyone.

[kristoff]

I never try to hide that I am sans nuts. All my friends and family know. It isn't an issue, but is sometimes the subject of jokes, mostly by me. No big deal. Everyone also knows that granddad was nutless for several years (prostate cancer).

[Mac (imported)]

Most people I know is aware of my nullification, even my boss. None of my family or friends care or look differently knowing what they know. There are some friends who feel "so sorry" for me not being able to make love to a woman again. They cannot understand why I do not go nuts with sexual frustration.

Our historic turbulence in South Africa (as well are our liberal constitution) has moulded our diverse nation into (maybe forced) tolerance for each other. Hell, you offend somebody, they sue you. People generally avoid putting their noses into other's business, politics excluded. I would walk nude in the gym and nobody seems to notice that I have no genitals. Men generally don't dare to look other men "down there" in fear of being labelled a "moffie" (gay). And if a guy did notice, I have not heard about it. Incidentally, I noticed two other men (a white man and a black man) in the gym who had no penis. They also walk around the locker room with no care in the world. I guess it's true what daifu-orchid said: "...

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Maybe a regional difference in attitudes...

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I actually don't mind if people know. Why go through all that life altering experience but it can't be shared. It is like building a
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nice muscular body in the gym, but can't show it to anyone.

If I could get a complete nullo I would not broadcast it but I would also not make any effort to hide it. I would not be afraid to be seen nude when the situation would be appropriate. I would not be shy about having a smooth appearance in my crotch. I would even enjoy wearing form fitting clothing when possible.

[eunuchjeff (imported)]

Our historic turbulence in South Africa (as well are our liberal constitution) has moulded our diverse nation into (maybe forced) tolerance for each other. Hell, you offend somebody, they sue you. People generally avoid putting their noses into other's business, p

olitics excluded. I would walk nude in the gymI actually don't mind if people know. Why go through all that life altering experience but it can't be shared. It is like building a nice muscular

body in the gym, but can't show it to anyone.

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I agree totally. Likewise, I'm always nude in gym changinge rooms and frequently nude in many other venues: nude swims; WNBR; home gardening, hot tub use, etc. As some have also noted, very few folks even notice. I actually only mention it with people with whom I might have sex.