Gender Confusion

[raymar2020 (imported)]

i want to more correctly respond to this thread. As a eunuch , I identify as such. While outwardly male in appearance, ( I have no interest in appearing more feminine) I am incapable of procreation and therefore not male. I am a third gender. This middle ground gender I suppose should include formerly female persons who are now infertile as well, although that distinction is not often made. The general assumption is that eunuchs are exclusively formerly male. While the word eunuch does not fit those infertile females, they certainly are part of a more neutrsl gender.

All that said, to me eunuchs and those who seek true androgeny or neutrois as it seems to be called these days are not eunuchs at all, but another gender varient. These individuals are seeking to be asexual as well as non-gendered, a sort of middle ground, human, but not either binary sex or the more established eunuch status.

Over the years I have actually chatted with a couple females who desired to lose their female characteristics , choosing instead to be much less identifiable as either binary sex. There are also others who while male seek to have none of the standard identifiers of male, Ie genitals beard etc. They seek to be sexless beings and while their numbers may be small, and even by the mental health community very misunderstood, they stand out to me as another gender option.

That to me says that there are actually 4 possible genders. Male female, eunuch and neutrois. The roles , of course are pretty well spelled out, male and female regardless of sexual preference, are capable of breeding. Eunuchs,(and whatever term you choose for the female counterpart) are neuter, but still sexual beings. Lastly the neutrois are those who fit best in life by being non-sexed, and asexual. That is not to say they are without emotion and a desire for human contact, but that they only identify as human, not any of the other forms.

It is time that soctiry begin to look at the varations in humanity with acceptance and understanding.

Raymar

[Marian-Zero (imported)]

That to me says that there are actually 4 possible genders. Male female, eunuch and neutrois.

This is exact my question: Are there?

You can distinguish:

Gender Expression

Biological Sex

Attraction

Gender Identity

You can say "eunuch" and "neutrois" may have the same gender identity (neutral) but different gender expression and maybe attraction. And for me: I don't want to express myself as androgyn but neutral. This is a difference.

It is confusing ...

[janekane (imported)]

As I remember, I recognized that my life did not fit into any purely binary gender scheme before I learned to talk.

I have never found myself to quite be a boy/man nor to quite be a girl/woman in any traditional sense. Rather, I am as though an assortment of some aspects of male, some of female, some of both, and some of neither, and it has always seemed to me as though that was the way I am "supposed to be."

So, what about living as a single person or as a partner in a committed relationship? One day, back in 1974, I met a person, now my wife, with whom it seemed to me that what I now recognize as pheromones seemed to be working. That had never before happened with anyone else. After a chunk of a year, we were married.

Because my inner neurological identity is, as I experience it in terms of so-called social norms, far more traditionally female than male, I took careful note of the person who became my wife having been about as much of a tomboy as I had been a sissy.

To the person who officiated at our marriage, I had said that I found that we had compatible interests and complementary skills. So it yet seems, more than 39 years later.

If my understanding of human biology, including human biological gender diversity is sufficiently scientifically accurate, gender confusion is a social issue based on very incomplete understanding of human biology.

I have never experienced any sort of gender confusion; I have never been confused about my being an assortment of social gender role conventions.

I have what is, for me, an alternative to gender confusion, one that works decently for me, and it lurks within what I regard as existential philosophy.

My alternative to gender confusion is simply this: Whatever actually happens, as actually it happens, is always completely necessary and sufficient; if only because nothing other than what actually happens ever actually happens.

Therefore, for me, my life is always flawlessly and perfectly normal, though it may never be normal for anyone else.

What is normal for one person may not be normal for someone else; therefore, what is normal is not a property of any group of two or more people; what is normal is unique to, and for, each and every individual person.

Were I to believe that what is normal for someone else is also normal for me, it seems to me that I would be as-though striving to dive into a bottomless chasm of agonizingly hopeless despair.

Perhaps I am simply too autistic-stupid to do that?

[Riverwind (imported)]

For me, I have never felt genderless, I am a male, yes a male who has been castrated but I am still male, none of that went away. There is reasons for this, the biggest sex organ we have is our brain and that is still intact.

River

[Jhalemore (imported)]

I fit in a well known picture from

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My:

Identity = Genderless

Expression = Gender Neutral

Biology = Male

Attraction = Asexual

Here's how it goes for me:

Identity = Two-Spirit

Expression = Gender Neutral?

Biology = Male

Attraction = Bisexual?

Yet, I have been calling myself Neutrois because I consider full castration + penectomy for my gender representation and matching with my body's desires. I am naturally Bisexual, but at the same time I don't want to have sex and I think it ruins a lot of things. My gender expression would probably be called male but if I was away from my parents, then I would appear more feminine and wear long dresses all the time but I never shave my body hair anymore nor will I choose to.

[YodaNell (imported)]

Eunuchs have been the butt of jokes for a long time now. They're an easy target to make fun of since there are no eunuchs today, right?

Most males who are eunuchs for the lack of testicles will not admit to their status, for good reason...

You know, I find (in my case) that what you said is not true. My family, friends, some of my work colleagues and two personal trainers know that I am not only an Eunuch, but actually a total nullo. No one ever made fun of me, ridiculed or humiliated me.

I guess if I would tell our very young guys at work, they might find it funny, but that would not be out of shear disgust but just that...that it is funny for them to imagine a man without genitals. Young immature people laugh at very fat people, ugly people, road kill, guys getting bald and so I can go on. The point is, I would not tell these young people it just because of that reason. But if the did find out, I have plenty of character for them to quickly forget about it and still respect me as their senior. Besides...telling a young sailor that you will cut their balls off and feed it to the sharks will quickly make them back off!

[YodaNell (imported)]

For me, I have never felt genderless, I am a male, yes a male who has been castrated but I am still male, none of that went away. There is reasons for this, the biggest sex organ we have is our brain and that is still intact.

River

I also lean towards what River said. I am a nullo, I still consider myself as a straight male...a male with no genitals, but still attracted to woman - because my brain is wired this way.