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Wolf-Pup (imported) wrote: Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:29 pm What happened with the TG community? Do you mean online? I know some can be extremely militant in what it means to be a REAL transsexual, at least the MTF versions. You should like the EA, everyone here is really nice. Especially now that the political boards have been taken down.

I'm back. I haven't left the boards. I have a life outside and heavily dislike the idea of associating myself as a hermit day in and night on the computer only. I'm steamed ATM at my best friend who spends his life that way on steam playing nothing but videogames and getting fat.

Even worse many times I've booked appointments with buddy a week in advance only for him to make up yet another excuse.

You know Ursula Franklin was right. Technology can make slaves of us all to the point of zombifying us .
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Wolf-Pup (imported) wrote: Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:29 pm What happened with the TG community? Do you mean online? I know some can be extremely militant in what it means to be a REAL transsexual, at least the MTF versions. You should like the EA, everyone here is really nice. Especially now that the political boards have been taken down.

I mean offline. Online ones, at least I can take space when I need. For three years I immersed myself in their bubble and they were the only people I spoke to, the only spaces I frequented besides the necessary were their spaces, I got swamped into all the drama that inevitably arises in a small, severely isolated group of people who haven't had an opportunity to go through puberty the right way (like, high school, but worse?). It's really not me. I didn't transition in order to still be stuck in that type of mentality.

Unwanted breast growth is awful... awful!! I do hope you'll be able to access surgery soon, Fixet.

I hope that someday I'll be able to reach a little more clarity or equilibrium than now. These days I feel like a failure of a person, because through all this pain and sacrifice I'm still inhibited by the feeling of disembodiment. Why me? Why was I made this way? I just know that I have so much creativity and potential that's all there and longing to manifest itself, if only this physical existence wasn't such a turn off to it.

Now, I can't even explain it to people. Body dysphoria makes sense when you're stuck in one side of the binary and see yourself in the other. Now I just get crap like "does that mean you regret transitioning?" .... face palm.
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We're nice? Really? EA is certainly inclusive and non-judgmental, even compassionate and supportive. The magic is that folks with all relationships with themselves and others get to be welcomed.

I suspect that life is seldom binary, and that would necessarily include something as complex as gender and affinity. Fortunately I have never felt trapped over a divide, binary or other -but from day to day feelings run from straight male eunuch to just eunuch. Do I ever want anything else? Sometimes, but I'm mostly good for now. Would this include TG? I don't think so; I wouldn't make much of a girl -even though some breast growth is already here. The most likely possibility would be further mods to the already eunuch state. We have visited many stations along the railroad of life, and have enjoyed each different stage of the journey, now as a contented but interested eunuch. Happily, our friends include all sorts and orientations, and life is the richer for their inclusion and sharing. EA is very cool!
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Hey thesmallone and others,

While the medical community and broader society seem to be hung up on the binary, people exhibit all kinds of dysphoria and adopt all kinds of gender presentations.

At first, my own dysphoria was primarily of the 'push' sort. I had to do everything possible to remove certain characteristics which were alien to me. I started off presenting cis male, with regular amounts of T, even after a series of bottom surgeries.

I then adopted an androgynous identity and presentation, no-T, no-E.

Increasingly, it became more of the 'pull' sort, as I then settled into a sort of androgynous femme type of thing, on a lowish dose of E.

Nonlinear (and non-binary) transitions are way more common than the standards of care are likely to have us believe, and in a perfect world we'd be able to experiment and see what works for us.

It sounds like you've found an endocrinologist who understands this issue. Keep communicating with this person, and keep trying and adjusting things until you find something you like.

T, for me, makes me crazy but also gives me energy.

No T but no E makes me more mellow but also slows me down a lot. Also this combination can lead to health complications.

E, for me, makes me happy and gives me back some energy. E is best for me.

I even know people for whom some combination of both T and E works well.

Also, I responded better to gel or patches, and horribly to shots since shots lead to a spike in hormone levels followed by a crash. This might be something to consider as well.

Also keep in mind that T tends to lead to costly-to-reverse changes in facial hair and voice, while E tends to lead to costly-to-reverse breast growth. If either of these things are features rather than bugs, then it might make sense to experiment with one of these things since the side effects would at least be welcome.

For everyone it's different.

If I were you, I'd try and see which combinations of things give you the best results in terms of how you feel about yourself.

Keep in mind, gender presentation and surgical status also play a role. A major part of my dysphoria was physical, and now I can function much better without having to worry about those issues. Another large part of it turned out to be gender presentation, and that in turn depended in an interesting way upon hormones. With estrogen I wanted to present more femme and felt relaxed doing so; with testosterone I wanted to present more androgynously butch and felt tense doing so.

Surgeons in the US and Europe are typically sticklers for psychs' letters, and psychs are typically (but not always) sticklers for the binary. Some in other countries might not be as bad. Foreign surgeons can be a lifesaver. If you need to bend the truth in order to deal with them, it's not morally wrong.

Either way, I hope you find something that works for you. Listen to your feelings.
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I had an intense moment of spiritual awakening today, and I wish to share with whomever is inclined to read (http://sayakei.livejournal.com/8646.html).
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Go for it!
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Graylaer02 is right on the mark. One size does not fit all. Compassionate self awareness seems the key to getting the actions and adjustments appropriate for an enjoyable life. Hang in there. There are good things to come.
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thesmallone (imported) wrote: Wed Oct 23, 2013 5:55 pm I spoke to my doctor today about the prospect of living without any sex hormones. She was cautious but totally open-minded as always, and suggested that I experiment with lowering my dose a bit first.

Sadly, for me, this is not an option. I found out the hard way last summer that if I lower my testosterone below a certain point, my body gets thrown into a funk that causes my blood pressure to drop dangerously low. It was a fascinating experience while it lasted though: I was incredibly confused but in wonder about everything, and I couldn't remember my own name. People kept calling me by my name, which I'd legally had for about a year at that point, and I kept thinking, "That's not right. That's not my name." But then I'd try to remember what my name was, and occasionally I'd come up with the name I was assigned at birth, and think, "That's not right, either."

While these medical complications were happening, I had similar problems with going into public restrooms. I remember walking up to the men's room, looking at the sign, and thinking, "Oops! Wrong one! I don't belong in there," and then walking up to the women's restroom and thinking the exact same thing. Took me a while to figure out which bathroom I belonged in, being confused as I was with the blood pressure drop and all.
thesmallone (imported) wrote: Wed Oct 23, 2013 5:55 pm I totally have a love-hate relationship with testosterone. Having testosterone doesn't make me look wrong - in fact, it's made small strides towards helping me look more right, little as it's been - but for some reason, it makes me feel wrong.

I don't hope to find people who are like me, but I always try to believe that it's possible for me to meet most people on a higher level one way or another. And, I have a good sense that I'll be able to do so in this gentl
thesmallone (imported) wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2013 10:20 pm e community, in a way that I was never able to in the "trans community".

Hi. So, you're not the only one. 👯

I hope that someday I'll be able to reach a little more clarity or equilibrium than now. These days I feel like a failure of a person, because through all this pain and sacrifice I'm still inhibited by the feeling of disembodiment. Why me? Why was I made this way? I just know that I have so much creativity and potential that's all there and longing to manifest itself, if only this physical existence wasn't such a turn off to it.

Now, I can't even explain it to people. Body dysphoria makes sense when you're stuck in one side of the bin
ary and see yourself in the other. Now I just get crap like "does that mean you regret transitioning?" .... face palm.

It's not very often that I'm able to cry these days, testosterone being what it is and all, but this pulled it out of me. I've met people who are sympathetic when I express these same sentiments, though they're incredibly rare, but I've never heard another person express feeling this same way until now. For the first year I was on T, I had some pre-existing problems with my endocrine system we didn't know were going on until I began transitioning to "male". This caused my estrogen levels to skyrocket, and the changes I was expecting associated with T proceeded awkwardly and with significant delays on account of it. I had surgery in August 2014 to remove my ovaries and have felt immeasurably better since my castration.

Four months later though, my body is finally changing toward a more "male" appearance as testosterone is now the only sex hormone noticeably present in my body. This happened to coincide with my traveling abroad for the winter, so I'm isolated from my friends and family back home until March. Looking in the mirror every day has made it increasingly apparent to me that when I get back, I'm going to have to deal with yet another coming out process, though I have no idea what that's going to look like. I'm clearly not a man, I've never really felt like a man, and I never really wanted to be a man. I just didn't feel like I had any other option besides "female", which was obviously wrong, too. And now I'm getting this very masculine-looking body, and people are commenting on my Facebook photos telling me how manly I look, like it's a compliment, and it's pretty awful.

It's the same kind of icky feeling in the pit of my stomach that I got when I told people I was only having my ovaries removed but leaving the uterus intact, and they were appalled to think a man might choose this for himself; the same kind of icky feeling in the pit of my stomach that I got when I bought my first prosthetics and harness, and my husband talked me into buying the one with testicles because real men have balls, even though I didn't want them and don't feel right wearing them.

I don't usually feel comfortable telling people this, because they do jump to the notion that it means I regret transitioning at all. And that's just not true. I regret that when I transitioned, I bought into the limitations of what people told me I had to become. I regret that society has such narrowly-defined constructs of what my gender can legitimately be. And, okay, maybe I regret some days choosing to wear the mask of "male" because I know it's a lie and I tell it anyway. But I don't regret abandoning the mask of a female identity that was clearly not right for me.
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I can sympathize with your situation.

As part of my process to proceed with more modification, I started to reach out to the FTM community. I had one person who was lukewarm about it, and another that actually went off on me very rudely, saying I was mocking them and that there was no such thing as male-to-eunuch identity. They told me, "You're not male-to-eunuch, you're more likely male-to-special little snowflake..." They were actually quite insulting, and acting the exact way they claimed I was doing to them - that is, mocking me and my place on the gender spectrum. They have their nose so stuck in the DSM that they actually yelled at me for making the mistake of calling it GID when it's now Gender Dysphoria - a term that has only officially come into the literature in the last year or so.

I simply couldn't understand how someone with that life experience, having been looked down upon themselves, felt they had any legitimacy in acting the way they did. It was fucking rude! I later found out one of the messages came from the natal male partner of this gay couple, at which point I told him that just because he had a dick didn't mean he needed to be one. I pretty much wrote them off. I was simply shocked that people who had that life experience felt they could justify acting the way they did. I told them as much.

Fortunately most others have been either lukewarm or very positive experiences.

--LT
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I'm so sorry you had that experience, LT. That sucks. :-(

I understand why it happens though. People transitioning within the gender binary are so constantly subjected to having their gender policed, being told to "man up" and whatnot. For a while, I lived with some gay men who were constantly telling me things like "real boys don't leave their dick in the shower" or they would call me "she" any time they thought I was being "whiny" as punishment to remind me to act like a real man. In order to defend myself from the constant assault of their judgments against me, I put a lot of work into performing masculinity much harder than I wanted to. Part of that performance, for a very short time, included denouncing anyone who wasn't performing masculinity the right way, according to how I was being pressured to do it. Internalized oppression is a bitch.

That's why they feel justified to shut off their empathy for the people they oppress, because they're in so much pain and hurting so badly from all the hell society has put them through. Their best defense is an offense, and they attack anyone whose identity might shake the foundation of the lies they're telling themselves about all this nonsensical hoop-jumping they think they have to go through in order to be a "real man".

I'm glad you've found others to offer you positive experiences. FTM folks are a very mixed bag, and I've not found the majority of that "community" to be a good fit for me, particularly the straight-identified ones. They don't tend to like me either.

*hugs*
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