Fantasy or Real?
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dave 2 be eunuch (imported)
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Fantasy or Real?
I am at a point now where I really want to find out if I have a castration fantasy/fetish or if I really want to be castrated. I often come on here really wanting to be castrated and read a story and really get off on it and wish it was for real. Than on other occasions it is just to get off on it with no real desire to be castrated. So what should I do? What is the safest chemical trial drug and how long should I be on it to reach castrated levels?
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Re: Fantasy or Real?
dave 2 be eunuch (imported) wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:36 pm I am at a point now where I really want to find out if I have a castration fantasy/fetish or if I really want to be castrated. I often come on here really wanting to be castrated and read a story and really get off on it and wish it was for real. Than on other occasions it is just to get off on it with no real desire to be castrated. So what should I do? What is the safest chemical trial drug and how long should I be on it to reach castrated levels?
When I first read a story about castration I was very excited and nervous at the same time. I would read fantasy but also read and think about life after the fantasy. An orgasm is brief and life as a eunuch forever. I think I was only 98% sure during my castration but for me it has been the best. Fantasize, dream and think until you know for sure.
The first thing I realized is I did not turn out the way I thought. I did not become passive or more tolerant of what was happening in my life. I found I liked myself more so I stood up for myself. I like who I am and never knew I could be so comfortable with myself. It is an interesting journey.
I never tried chem castration but that is the best way to test drive a new you. Good luck in whatever you decide and there is many good members with very good advice.
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Re: Fantasy or Real?
I started Androcur back at the beginning of January. It took about 2 months before my T levels bottomed out to near-eunuch levels of about 22 ng/dl. With that said, though, my sex-drive didn't bottom out to its present level until April, around the beginning of the 3rd month. Its drop was very slow and steady. I went from feeling the urge every few days when I started, to about every week for the first few weeks, then to every two weeks, and then by the time mid-April rolled around, I was regularly going an entire month without really feeling any desire. It took until about the 6 month mark, though, to completely reach the sterility mark where nothing at all started coming out at orgasm, so it probably took that long for my body to truly completely adjust to the lower T levels.
Anyway... the two main oral anti-androgens that are possible to try are Androcur and Spronolactone.
Androcur is the more potent of the two. It pretty much obliterates T levels. The only problem is, Androcur has progesterone-like effects, which means a higher risk of depression and mood swings in general. Plus Androcur has been shown to cause withdrawl symptoms if stopped suddenly. (I experienced this myself when my doctor switched me to Spironolactone after 2 months of self-medicating.) So Androcur is the more effective, but must be handled with care, and it is a bit harder to go back off of, so you'll have to plan for a long recovery period where you taper off the dosage slowly over weeks or months to avoid the violent moods that can happen if it is stopped suddenly. But it will pretty much definitely obliterate your T levels very quickly, and as such is what most people on chem-castration trials use. Just be careful, and again, plan on a lengthy recovery period. It takes a LONG time to get back to normal after stopping Androcur.
Spironolactone is primarily a potassium-sparing diuretic, so its testosterone-reduction properties are just a secondary effect. As such, it is a much weaker anti-androgen. In addition to its reduced potency, it also has the issue of making you pee a lot, since it's a diuretic, and there are possible problems with excess potassium retention in high doses. It is not known to cause withdrawl symptoms, though, and has a lower risk of depression and mood swings. The downside, again, is its reduced potency. 100 mg of Androcur is pretty much all that anyone needs to completely obliterate their T levels. But some transgender women are on dosages of Spiro up to 300 mg because their T levels won't drop on it.
Depo-Provera is the other thing that a lot of chem-castration trials use. It works in much the same way as Androcur, being a progestin, but is a single shot that lasts for 3 months or so. The only problem with it is that, if adverse effects start happening, it can't be stopped immediately, since it's a long-term thing. So once you get the shot, you're stuck being chemically castrated for 3 months whether you like it or not.
And yes, please, for God's sake, do a trial first if you're considering castration, especially since it's a sexual turn-on for you. Chem castration is reversible very easily if you don't like it. Actual castration is permanent, and if you discover that it was just a sexual fantasy, tough luck.
Anyway... the two main oral anti-androgens that are possible to try are Androcur and Spronolactone.
Androcur is the more potent of the two. It pretty much obliterates T levels. The only problem is, Androcur has progesterone-like effects, which means a higher risk of depression and mood swings in general. Plus Androcur has been shown to cause withdrawl symptoms if stopped suddenly. (I experienced this myself when my doctor switched me to Spironolactone after 2 months of self-medicating.) So Androcur is the more effective, but must be handled with care, and it is a bit harder to go back off of, so you'll have to plan for a long recovery period where you taper off the dosage slowly over weeks or months to avoid the violent moods that can happen if it is stopped suddenly. But it will pretty much definitely obliterate your T levels very quickly, and as such is what most people on chem-castration trials use. Just be careful, and again, plan on a lengthy recovery period. It takes a LONG time to get back to normal after stopping Androcur.
Spironolactone is primarily a potassium-sparing diuretic, so its testosterone-reduction properties are just a secondary effect. As such, it is a much weaker anti-androgen. In addition to its reduced potency, it also has the issue of making you pee a lot, since it's a diuretic, and there are possible problems with excess potassium retention in high doses. It is not known to cause withdrawl symptoms, though, and has a lower risk of depression and mood swings. The downside, again, is its reduced potency. 100 mg of Androcur is pretty much all that anyone needs to completely obliterate their T levels. But some transgender women are on dosages of Spiro up to 300 mg because their T levels won't drop on it.
Depo-Provera is the other thing that a lot of chem-castration trials use. It works in much the same way as Androcur, being a progestin, but is a single shot that lasts for 3 months or so. The only problem with it is that, if adverse effects start happening, it can't be stopped immediately, since it's a long-term thing. So once you get the shot, you're stuck being chemically castrated for 3 months whether you like it or not.
And yes, please, for God's sake, do a trial first if you're considering castration, especially since it's a sexual turn-on for you. Chem castration is reversible very easily if you don't like it. Actual castration is permanent, and if you discover that it was just a sexual fantasy, tough luck.
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Re: Fantasy or Real?
dave 2 be eunuch (imported) wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:36 pm I am at a point now where I really want to find out if I have a castration fantasy/fetish or if I really want to be castrated. I often come on here really wanting to be castrated and read a story and really get off on it and wish it was for real. Than on other occasions it is just to get off on it with no real desire to be castrated. So what should I do? What is the safest chemical trial drug and how long should I be on it to reach castrated levels?
Just remember that Temporary Chemical Castration can make you infertile and or with hypogonadism, and your mileage may very
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Re: Fantasy or Real?
Androcur, I took this drug for just over a year, loved the effect which pushed me over the top.
Many here will tell you that this is the most personal choice you will ever make and once your castrated you don't grow new ones, there is no do over, its done.
So I would suggest you try a chemical castration for a period of time, like a year.
Note the effects, keep a daily journal.
Most important get your doctor on board with this, have him check your testosterone level, liver, check everything. This acts as a bench mark for you and your doctor. Then in a year when your ready if you decide to continue do it again, check everything including a bone scan.
After you are castrated you have several things to look forward to.
I do not believe in this eunuch calm crap, from what I can tell it is not real. What is real is hot flashes, usually at the wrong moment, you may suffer from depression many of us do, Osteoporosis is very real, bone scan every 2 years.
So in the next year while your taking castration on a test drive find out everything you can about life after castration. If your goal is to switch to testosterone shots to replace the T I would suggest that maybe you have the wrong reason for being cut in the first place. Unless of course your BIID then that does not apply.
If by this point I have not raised at least 20 or more questions from you, I have not done my job.
Footnote, I have been a eunuch over 10 years, I love it and with all the health issues I have had sense I would do it again in a heartbeat, my only regret is that I did not do this 30 years ago.
Good luck to you,
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River
Many here will tell you that this is the most personal choice you will ever make and once your castrated you don't grow new ones, there is no do over, its done.
So I would suggest you try a chemical castration for a period of time, like a year.
Note the effects, keep a daily journal.
Most important get your doctor on board with this, have him check your testosterone level, liver, check everything. This acts as a bench mark for you and your doctor. Then in a year when your ready if you decide to continue do it again, check everything including a bone scan.
After you are castrated you have several things to look forward to.
I do not believe in this eunuch calm crap, from what I can tell it is not real. What is real is hot flashes, usually at the wrong moment, you may suffer from depression many of us do, Osteoporosis is very real, bone scan every 2 years.
So in the next year while your taking castration on a test drive find out everything you can about life after castration. If your goal is to switch to testosterone shots to replace the T I would suggest that maybe you have the wrong reason for being cut in the first place. Unless of course your BIID then that does not apply.
If by this point I have not raised at least 20 or more questions from you, I have not done my job.
Footnote, I have been a eunuch over 10 years, I love it and with all the health issues I have had sense I would do it again in a heartbeat, my only regret is that I did not do this 30 years ago.
Good luck to you,
Ask questions, 100's of them
River
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matoso (imported)
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Re: Fantasy or Real?
When I first came to this site, recommended by someone on another site who loved burdizzoes, I found the Fiction Archives here at EUnuch.Org. The stories made my cock very hard, and also curled my virgin ears,, I hadn't read anything of such sexual roughness before. I stayed away for several weeks but curiosity can kill the cat, so I came back, to read a bit more, but usually had to stop and deal with a hard problem. This site really helped to relax my fears of castration, but I also realized that FEAR is a big factor in men getting hard reading the stories. Plus, the men in the stories had their cocks getting hard when told these fearful things that were going to happen to them.
I equate this hardness of fear as something "natural" from "cavemen times". When deer are startled and think danger is near, their tales stand up(get stiff) and that alerts the others in the area that danger may be near by. Consider the caveman, who might not have worn clothes, but they had to protect their families or go hunting for food. When danger was nearby their penis had the White Tail Deer syndrome,, it flicked right up, and it was a method of quietness to tell the others in the group that danger might be near, when they looked over at him. This might be far-fetched,, but I tell it this way to relate understanding how fear can make it look like we want this harm, when in reality, it is the body/mind's reaction to fearful events.
This site should be recommended for all doctors/patients as a test to see whether their cock can still get hard. IF these stories won't do it, nothing will. I've found older guys who have told me they could get hard again and cum by reading these stories. Don't do drugs,,, DO EUnuch.org fiction stories.
I equate this hardness of fear as something "natural" from "cavemen times". When deer are startled and think danger is near, their tales stand up(get stiff) and that alerts the others in the area that danger may be near by. Consider the caveman, who might not have worn clothes, but they had to protect their families or go hunting for food. When danger was nearby their penis had the White Tail Deer syndrome,, it flicked right up, and it was a method of quietness to tell the others in the group that danger might be near, when they looked over at him. This might be far-fetched,, but I tell it this way to relate understanding how fear can make it look like we want this harm, when in reality, it is the body/mind's reaction to fearful events.
This site should be recommended for all doctors/patients as a test to see whether their cock can still get hard. IF these stories won't do it, nothing will. I've found older guys who have told me they could get hard again and cum by reading these stories. Don't do drugs,,, DO EUnuch.org fiction stories.
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Re: Fantasy or Real?
If you really like the idea of being castrated, do a trial chemical one first, knowing that even that may leave effects.
I got done by necessity, but in retrospect it was a very good thing. Just be careful that it is what you really want.
Talk to folks here. There is much wisdom and world experience.
There is also compassion and support.
I got done by necessity, but in retrospect it was a very good thing. Just be careful that it is what you really want.
Talk to folks here. There is much wisdom and world experience.
There is also compassion and support.
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The first challenge is to identify what it is about castration that attracts you. Is it about not having testicles? Is it about not having a libido or the ability to perform sexually ? Is is really just a fantasy play thing that you are obessing on?
To truly identify the base reasons is where you must start. If it is more about BIID than loss of libido, then a chemical trial may not be the way to go. In that case it is much more about understanding the desire and figuring out if it is something you can live with and adapt to , or if the only real and permanent solution is to remove the testicles.
If it is about asexuality, and removing libido from your life, then by all means do a chemical trial first. There is some risk that you could see a change that can not be reversed, but in actuality the number of people that have that issue is pretty small. Get a physician on board with you to closely moniter what you are doing, and set a timetable for finishing your trial before you start. Some of the drugs used can cause depression, and all of them can be hard on the liver.
As has been previously stated, keep copious notes during a trial and use the info you collect to develop your decision about how to proceed or if you want to proceed.
Speak with a sex therapist , and work to identify the real basis for your interest. Only then can you make intelligent choices about how to procced and whether it is simply a fantasy or an actual need.
Raymar
To truly identify the base reasons is where you must start. If it is more about BIID than loss of libido, then a chemical trial may not be the way to go. In that case it is much more about understanding the desire and figuring out if it is something you can live with and adapt to , or if the only real and permanent solution is to remove the testicles.
If it is about asexuality, and removing libido from your life, then by all means do a chemical trial first. There is some risk that you could see a change that can not be reversed, but in actuality the number of people that have that issue is pretty small. Get a physician on board with you to closely moniter what you are doing, and set a timetable for finishing your trial before you start. Some of the drugs used can cause depression, and all of them can be hard on the liver.
As has been previously stated, keep copious notes during a trial and use the info you collect to develop your decision about how to proceed or if you want to proceed.
Speak with a sex therapist , and work to identify the real basis for your interest. Only then can you make intelligent choices about how to procced and whether it is simply a fantasy or an actual need.
Raymar
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Re: Fantasy or Real?
I've just stopped taking estrogen and spironolactone for the second time...The reason being a lack of strength and shortness of breath....I wonder if there's a way to castrate ones self and not suffer these consequences?? Any help ?? Thanks Jackie
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Re: Fantasy or Real?
butterflyjack (imported) wrote: Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:02 am I've just stopped taking estrogen and spironolactone for the second time...The reason being a lack of strength and shortness of breath....I wonder if there's a way to castrate ones self and not suffer these consequences?? Any help ?? Thanks Jackie
Hi Jackie,
I was on Estrogen and spiro (200mg/day) for almost a year. That combined with a burdizzo castration attempt, lowered my "T" levels to castrate level with all the desired effects. Unfortunately I was suffering the same undesired effects as you..my quality of life went into the tank when I could barely function day to day. I stopped the HRT and went to the VA...after a battery of tests to verify that I wasn't dying (at least they didn't find anything), They said I needed testosterone injections. I've been taking "T"-shots bi-weekly for 3 months now, and feel much better. In 10 days i'll be having surgical castration to complete this. Then my plan is to find a balance between the feminizing hormone regimin and the "T" shots to try and establish a balance between what my body needs to function and what I need overall. Finding that "balance point" may be the secret...that and time for our bodies to adjust. After all, we've been flooded with testosterone for decades and suddenly removing that is a shock, to say the least. I'm hopeful that over time my body will adjust and i'll be able to decrease the testosterone and increase the estrogen/Spiro back to the levels needed for the changes ahead. I'll be happy to talk to you about my journey...past and future if you're interested. By posting here to me, you also post to my Dominant Wife and partner who is very supportive of the transition i'm undergoing.
Hope to hear from you and others.... John