Chemical Castration by Natural Herbal Supplments

[craigj46 (imported)]

I am a 47 SWM who has on May 22, 2013 had a Testosterone level of 127 (normal range 300 or higher). I have read some things about an herbal called Saw Palmetto. I have started taking this supplement after checking with the pharmacist to make sure its not going to react to anything other medications that I am currently taking. I am just wondering if this in fact will drop me down to castration level or not? I am know that there is some research of this supplement binding with some testosterone, but is it enough to cause chemical castration? Any information would be helpful. I will journal my experiences here for the next several months. Thank you.

[shadow1ninja (imported)]

I think you could also add Cyproterone Acetate from inhouse pharmacy, they ship non restricted medications all around the world and you can get greater castration effects from this medication. Saw Palmetto can effect DHT levels by decreasing it and Cyproterone Acetate is good at decreasing Testosterone. which other medications do you use?

[paring (imported)]

There are plenty of documentation you can find on the web regarding Saw Palmetto. This is the only herb that has a real an anti androgenic effect. In fact, it acts just like finasteride a chemical anti androgen used in Propecia (1%), benin prostate hyperplasia (5%) and prostate cancer (10%). Saw Palmetto is sold in 160 mg or 360mg, I used 4x360mg a day and it worked. Its effects is not reversible if used over a long period of time, just like any other anti androgen. I started to use it at 42 y.o., on my own with out medical supervision. After 8 years the castration side effect became so unbearable so I had to quit. I told my GP about it and he seemed to be surprised about the effect of this herb. My testosterone level was checked 3 months after quitting and it was stable at 100 or 3,5 (the castration side effects were still present). the low normal being 300 or 10. I started Testosterone Replacement Therapy shortly after in 2004. My T level is now normal (with TRT) and I'm sexually functional. My libido has never returned to what it was before, which is fine, perhaps this has something to do with age. I hope this is helpful to you.

[craigj46 (imported)]

Saw Palmetto can effect DHT levels by decreasing it and Cyproterone Acetate is good at decreasing Testosterone. which other medications do you use?

Thank you for your response. The other medication are simvastatin (cholesterol) and omeprazole (heartburn). I did look at the "

Cyproterone Acetate from inhouse pharmacy

" but it seems a bit of an expense for me while I am in school. Thank you for that good information and recommendation. I take it you can trust that company to deliver a quality product? I am still wondering if my Lobito will continue to diminish as I am going through this process? I still yet to experience "hot flashes" day or night. Thanks again for your help.

[craigj46 (imported)]

There are plenty of documentation you can find on the web regarding Saw Palmetto. This is the only herb that has a real an anti androgenic effect. In fact, it acts just like finasteride a chemical anti androgen used in Propecia (1%), benin prostate hyperplasia (5%) and prostate cancer (10%). Saw Palmetto is sold in 160 mg or 360mg, I used 4x360mg a day and it worked. Its effects is not reversible if used over a long period of time, just like any other anti androgen. I started to use it at 42 y.o., on my own with out medical supervision. After 8 years the castration side effect became so unbearable so I had to quit. I told my GP about it and he seemed to be surprised about the effect of this herb. My testosterone level was checked 3 months after quitting and it was stable at 100 or 3,5 (the castration side effects were still present). the low normal being 300 or 10. I started Testosterone Replacement Therapy shortly after in 2004. My T level is now normal (with TRT) and I'm sexually functional. My libido has never returned to what it was before, which is fine, perhaps this has something to do with age. I hope this is helpful to you.

Well, I have just started taking Saw Palmetto (SP) 450 mg, today, Sunday. I was thinking about starting at twice a day, even the bottle says I should be taking one capsule three times to five times per day. So starting Monday I will be taking this four times a day. I wish there was an indicator of when I have reached castration level? Then the next question will be how long before this would become permanent? I was also wondering if my testicals will atrophy (shrivel up)? If not will a urologist be more willing to remove my nuts because of my testosterone being less than 10 or the size of my nuts (if they are still visible)?

Currently, I still feel at times to jack off, knowing the pathetic out cum of that event. I still feel like jacking off is sick and perverted. My nipple are sensitive like now, and when I play with them I get excited or interested. Will I ever start feeling like sex is just a motion and is not needed at all for me? Thanks again for your advice. Respectfully.

[paring (imported)]

Need less to bring your T to castration level, because you'll be impotent before you reach that level, 3 caps a day should do it. It takes 3-4 weeks before you can feel its effects. Same for other chemical anti androgen. If it's not enough try 4 caps. If you bring your T level too low this will bring also other problems that you don't want to deal with. Physical or chemical castration will not eliminate completely your libido but it should not cause you problem. Soft erections may occur now and then but they'll last only few seconds. You'll not have any control over your erections no matter how hard you try. No one know for sure how long it will take for you to reach the point of no return but after 4-6 months you may expect it. It'd would be smart to cease for a while , perhaps a month, and then resume therapy not to loose the ability to produce testosterone. All men who stop producing testosterone will see theirs testicles shrink but that doesn't happen over night. Mines have shrunk about 50% over 18 y. period, same for penises following long period without erections. Generally speaking, urologist won't remove testicles unless there is a testicle cancer, even for prostate cancer they will treat it with anti androgen.

[craigj46 (imported)]

If you bring your T level too low this will bring also other problems that you don't want to deal with.

I was just wondering what is going to happen when my T level is too low? or deal with? I hate to ask.. but what do you mean by "soft erections" I have been thinking that I already have those when I jack off? I no longer get erections nightly or day time. When I rub my nipples I get the urge to jack off, and of course it take a while before I am able to cum and pleasure only last a few seconds and I am done... then to clean up the mess of my leakage afterwards. My head already feel like its in a fog a bit. Well, thanks again for your help in what you know. Also I have started the three times a day on Saw Pamletto today. Is there something I can take (other than caffeine) to help me think clearly for school work?

[paring (imported)]

Your goal here is not to cure prostate cancer, so you don't have to eliminate all testosterone in your body. Take only what you need to control your libido and erections. If you take more, you'll develop problems such as osteoporosis, weight gain, arthritis pain, memory lost, lack of energy, lack of concentration and so on. Each of those side effects are known to lead to depression and when depression set in you'll increase the side effects, it's a vicious circle. To avoid side effects, you must remain active, follow a weight control diet and avoid all food that are known to be inflammatory such as dairy products, red meat, sugar, flour, pastries, white bread. Basically all anti oxidant are known to be anti inflammatory, the more colorful fruits, berries and veggies the better. Eunuchs are at risk for more problems than intact men. Castration is not all that bad, if you avoid the side effects you'll be fine.

[Jorge2008 (imported)]

I very much doubt this herbal medicine will bring anyone down to castrate levels. Just check Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saw_palmetto_extract). It wouldn't be legal, if it did, I think.

Need less to bring your T to castration level, because you'll be impotent before you reach that level, 3 caps a day should do it. It takes 3-4 weeks before you can feel its effects. Same for other chemical anti androgen. If it's not enough try 4 caps. If you bring your T level too low this will bring also other problems that you don't want to deal with. Physical or chemical castration will not eliminate completely your libido but it should not cause you problem. Soft erections may occur now and then but they'll last only few seconds. You'll not have any control over your erections no matter how hard you try. No one know for sure how long it will take for you to reach the point of no return but after 4-6 months you may expect it. It'd would be smart to cease for a while , perhaps a month, and then resume therapy not to loose the ability to produce testosterone. All men who stop producing testosterone will see theirs testicles shrink but that doesn't happen over night. Mines have shrunk about 50% over 18 y. period, same for penises following long period without erections. Generally speaking, urologist won't remove testicles unless there is a testicle cancer, even for prostate cancer they will treat it with anti androgen.

[paring (imported)]

You have the right not to believe what I said, others don't even believe that Androcur works. Wikipedia is not an authority in medical science. If you want to verify what I said, google up the name Saw Palmetto and read only what is written by universities and ignore what is posted by sellers and producers. Saw Palmetto is sold in drug stores without prescription to relief BPH and and to stop hair lost (just like finasteride), sellers will all say that there are no side effects, sure they want to sell their product. I doubt that any one would buy it for BPH if it was written on the label that it eliminates libido and render men impotent. LOL