Turkey in the Deep Dark Cellar ;-)

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Another view. One I believe Hakan would agree, maybe.

I am waiting for his reply

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/19/opini ... .html?_r=0

Postcard From Turkey

ISTANBUL — Having witnessed the Egyptian uprising in Tahrir Square in Cairo in 2011, I was eager to compare it with the protests by Turkish youths here in Taksim Square in 2013. They are very different. The Egyptians wanted to oust President Hosni Mubarak. Theirs was an act of “revolution.” The Turks are engaged in an act of “revulsion.” They aren’t (yet) trying to throw out their democratically elected Islamist prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan. What they’re doing is calling him out. Their message is simple: “Get out of our faces, stop choking our democracy and stop acting like such a pompous, overbearing, modern-day Sultan.”

The Turks took to the streets, initially, to protect one of Istanbul’s few green spaces, Gezi Park, from being bulldozed for an Erdogan project. They took to the streets because the prime minister — who has dominated Turkish politics for the last 11 years and still has strong support with the more religious half of Turkey — has stifled dissent. Erdogan has used tax laws and other means to intimidate the press and opponents into silence — CNN Turk, at first, refused to cover the protests, opting instead to air a show on penguins — and the formal parliamentary opposition is feckless. So in a move that has intriguing implications, Turkish youths used Twitter as their own news and communications network and Gezi Park and Taksim Square as their own parliament to become the real opposition.

In doing so, they sent a message to Erdogan: In today’s flat world, nobody gets to have one-way conversations anymore. Leaders are now in a two-way conversation with their citizens. Erdogan, who is surrounded by yes-men, got this lesson the hard way. On June 7, he declared that those who try to “lecture us” about the Taksim crackdown, “what did they do about the Wall Street incidents? Tear gas, the death of 17 people happened there. What was the reaction?” In an hour, the American Embassy in Turkey issued a statement in English and Turkish via Twitter rebutting Erdogan: “No U.S. deaths resulted from police actions in #OWS,” a reference to Occupy Wall Street. No wonder Erdogan denounced Twitter as society’s “worst menace.”

Three Turks in America responded to the events in Istanbul by starting a funding campaign on Indiegogo.com that bought a full-page ad in The New York Times supporting the protests. According to Forbes, they received donations “from 50 countries at a clip of over $2,500 per hour over its first day, crossing its $53,800 goal in about 21 hours.”

What’s sad is that Erdogan’s arrogance, autocratic impulses and, lately, use of anti-Semitic tropes, are soiling what has been an outstanding record of leadership. His Islamist party has greatly improved health care, raised incomes, built roads and bridges, improved governance and pushed the Army out of politics. But success has gone to his head. He has been lecturing, or trying to restrict, Turks on where and when they can drink alcohol, how many children each woman should have (3), the need to ban abortions, the need to ban Caesarean sections and even what docudramas they should watch. The Turkish daily Zaman on Monday published a poll showing that 54.4 percent of Turks “thought the government was interfering in their lifestyle.”

While the parents were cowed, the kids lost their fear. I walked with protesters on the streets of Istanbul on Saturday when the police, armed with fire hoses and tear gas, cleared Gezi Park. The pavement literally shook with the energy of young people telling Erdogan to back off. Or as Ilke, 30, an aerospace engineer standing next to me remarked — before we were scattered by tear gas — “They are trying to make rules about religion and to force them on everyone. Democracy is not just about what the majority wants. It’s also what the minority wants. Democracy is not just about elections.”

Erdogan (like Russia’s Vladimir Putin) confuses “being in power with having power,” argued Dov Seidman, whose company, LRN, advises C.E.O.’s on governance and who is the author of the book “How.” “There are essentially just two kinds of authority: formal authority and moral authority,” he added. “And moral authority is now so much more important than formal authority” in today’s interconnected world, “where power is shifting to individuals who can easily connect and combine their power exponentially for good or ill.”

You don’t get moral authority just from being elected or born, said Seidman: “Moral authority is something you have to continue to earn by how you behave, by how you build trust with your people. ... Every time you exercise formal authority — by calling out the police — you deplete it. Every time you exercise moral authority, leading by example, treating people with respect, you strengthen it.”

Any leader who wants to lead just “by commanding power over people should think again,” he added. “In this age, the only way to effectively lead is to generate power through people,” said Seidman, because you have connected with them “in a way that earned their trust and enlisted them in a shared vision.”

Can Erdogan learn these lessons? Turkey’s near-term stability and his legacy hang on the answer.
moi621 (imported) wrote: Sat Jun 08, 2013 7:43 pm -------------------------------------------------------------------

Hakan wrote Erdogan's popularity has taken a plunge to the thirtysomething %.

Moi

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Hakan's response to Postcard from Turkey

This i would call a pure objective article without any prejudices...

like a well done meat this is a well done article

So I guess it is worth reading.

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The Turkish Ambassador to Egyptland was called on the carpet about

Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan calling the Mursi ouster a coup.

Imagine, calling the military take over of a Democratically elected government a, "coup d'etat". 🙄

Reminds me of all the times I get called on the carpet for telling the truth.

Moi

Truthsayer, I know his suffering.
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"...
Riverwind (imported) wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2013 4:58 pm we really know little of their political system...
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How often is more than I commonly care to attempt recalling, someone who learned well the skill set of groupthink includes in some pronouncement, a variation of, "... as everyone knows, we all..."

When I figure I am unlikely to be exterminated for attempting to be accurately truthful, I may, in tragic seeming ineffectuality, attempt to inform a pronouncer, "I am not everyone, and your 'we' excludes me."

Anyone care for set theory? Anyone care about set theory as related to nested, self-referential sets?

If a pronouncement is true, then it is true that it is true and it is false that it is false.

Can anyone tangibly demonstrate the above pronouncement being other than inescapably true as a philosophical logical proposition?

If a pronouncement is false, then it is true that it is and it false that it is true; the truth of a false pronouncement is its falsehood.

Can anyone tangibly demonstrate the above pronouncement being other than inescapably true as a philosophical logical proposition?

So, there are two complementary aspects of all that is true, the truth of what is true being true and the truth of what is false being false; so, one way or another, ultimately, naught save truth exists?

Were that all actually to be true, what would actually exist to fight over, or to fight under, or to fight within, or to fight without?
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Turkey almost captured an Israeli spy.

http://news.yahoo.com/turkey-captures-b ... 27495.html

Turkey Captures Bird, Accuses It of Spying for Israel — See Why They Finally Let It Go

Turkish officials detained a bird after villagers accused it of spying for Israel's intelligence agency, the Mossad, but then freed the winged creature after X-rays cleared it of suspicion.

The Milliyet newspaper reported that the kestrel - a type of falcon - was X-rayed at a university hospital to search for any microchips or bugging devices. Only when the scans came up clear was the bird allowed to go free. The newspaper carried a front-page image of the X-ray on Friday which revealed that scientists had dubbed the creature "Israeli agent" on the X-ray, Reuters reported.

An image of the X-ray as seen in the Turkish press. On the upper left, the Turkish words for "Israeli agent" are visible (Photo: Time Turk)

This comes on heels of other conspiracy theories about the Mossad in the Muslim world, including Egyptian accusations that Israel was behind a surge in shark attacks in the Red Sea, and concerns in Turkey that Israeli genetically-modified tomato seeds can be programmed to harm consumers.

Residents of Alt?navya, a Turkish village, became suspicious when they saw that the bird was wearing a metal ring on its foot showing the words "24311 Tel Avivunia Israel," Hurriyet Daily News reported. The Times of Israel noted that the tag belonged to Tel Aviv University. After capturing the little bird, the villagers delivered it to the local governor's office.

From there, the bird went for a medical examination to look for microchips or spying equipment. F?rat University technicians concluded that "the bird was just a simple specimen of Israeli wildlife," reported Hurriyet.

The metal tag on the foot of the bird that raised suspicions. It was a Tel Aviv University tag (Photo: Time Turk)

Ornithologists often tag birds in order to track migration routes.

The Times of Israel reported on even more accusations of the Mossad: "In May of 2012, authorities in Ankara dissected a European bee-eater [a type of bird] after becoming concerned that it was carrying an Israeli listening device, and in December an eagle with an Israeli tag in Sudan was captured and touted as a Mossad spy," the English-language Israeli site reported.

The Atlantic ran an article last year looking at some of the more "outlandish conspiracy theories" including:

Calling a heavy metal music festival in Istanbul a Mossad front.

A suggestion by the head of Turkey's Higher Education Board (YOK) that genetically-modified tomato seeds bought from Israel could be 'programmed' to harm Turks, if not destroy the whole Turkish nation.

A suspicion by Turkish farmers that the above mentioned European Bee Eater was an Israeli intelligence device, because it "had what seemed to be a very enlarged nostril, leading one local official to suggest that perhaps the bird had been implanted with some kind of microchip or spying device." That bird, too, was cleared by agriculture officials of any suspicion. (An official with Israel's Society for the Protection of Nature told The Atlantic last year that that bird had been banded four years before in a routine effort to track migration patterns.)

An Iranian accusation that it had caught Mossad spy squirrels and spy pigeons.
moi621 (imported) wrote: Sat Jun 08, 2013 7:43 pm -------------------------------------------

Whew, could you get through those conspiracies.

My Persians and Russians love conspiracies too.

Moi

for a good time, seriously, check out these for a refreshing different attitude toward cats & dogs

http://www.minordiversion.com/2012/04/s ... -istanbul/

http://animalbehaviorassociates.com/blo ... ts-turkey/

something to be said for this "Turkish model".
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