Mental capability after castration

[TheThingy (imported)]

I am currently at the age when my body is overfilled with testosterone and I don't like it's effect at all. I've been thinking about castration for the last couple years and the last 2 months I've been chemically castrating myself to see if it is really what I want. From the very beginning I got fully convinced that I have to go to the end with this and so today I had my first Everclear injection.

I am slightly concerned though. I have an abnormality - an extremely high tolerance for just sitting and doing my work for long, long hours. It is a necessity to me in order to function in this world and without that I I'll consider myself mentally dead. Testosterone level affects brain function a lot and lack of T can be a result of lack of concentration and foggy mood. It might sound silly, but is there a chance of simply becoming dumb? Specifically I am talking about sharp mathematical thinking. I am okay with feeling dull like from lack of sleep or something - these moods put me in a mode when I feel no reality around me and I produce the best work. I am more worried about logical sharpness. Can it change my mental capability forever?

Would be great to hear input from veterans in this thing.

[janekane (imported)]

I am currently at the age when my body is overfilled with testosterone and I don't like it's effect at all. I've been thinking about castration for the last couple years and the last 2 months I've been chemically castrating myself to see if it is really what I want. From the very beginning I got fully convinced that I have to go to the end with this and so today I had my first Everclear injection.

I am slightly concerned though. I have an abnormality - an extremely high tolerance for just sitting and doing my work for long, long hours. It is a necessity to me in order to function in this world and without that I I'll consider myself mentally dead. Testosterone level affects brain function a lot and lack of T can be a result of lack of concentration and foggy mood. It might sound silly, but is there a chance of simply becoming dumb? Specifically I am talking about sharp mathematical thinking. I am okay with feeling dull like from lack of sleep or something - these moods put me in a mode when I feel no reality around me and I produce the best work. I am more worried about logical sharpness. Can it change my mental capability forever?

Would be great to hear input from veterans in this thing.

There is a notion that shows up from time to time on the Eunuch Archive forum, often put, "Your mileage may vary."

For myself, I observed a decrease in mental focus and sharpness with puberty and a restoration of my pre-puberty mental focus and sharpness after my intended-cancer-risk-minimizing bilateral orchiectomy when I was 47. For me, the effect of testosterone was, as I observed my life, as though it gave me a bothersome mental fog, which only lifted when my testosterone levels returned to pre-pubescent levels or lower.

I do not expect anyone else to have experiences that are effectively the same as mine, so I cannot tell you what would happen to you.

Can testosterone reduction from castration change your mental capacity forever? I intend no cynicism or sarcasm, nor disrespect of any kind, however, I have no clue as to what that means; how long is forever?

[Wolf-Pup (imported)]

I can say when I was low-T I had less sharpness that I didn't realize was there until I went on TRT. Regardless if you have ANY question/soubt I wouldn't inject your testicles with alcohol or anything else than can be permanent. You need to be 110% CERTAIN before you do anything more than a chemical trial. From what I have read on here over the years, 2 months isn't long enough of a trial to move on to permanence.

There are others who know a lot more than I though.

[Eunuchorn (imported)]

One common joke is to ask "Which head do you think with?" well, in this thread, that's only half kidding. I have heard of the "Eunuch Calm" that settles on the mind after castration, but how much better is it? I cannot answer that one, only fully eunuchs can. The balls are really close to the smaller head, so will their removal cause smaller brain damage? I once made a monster that had the little head as it's only head, after ancient codpieces that had a man's head over the glans. what would it say if it could talk?

[TheThingy (imported)]

Regardless if you have ANY question/soubt I wouldn't inject your testicles with alcohol or anything else than can be permanent. You need to be 110% CERTAIN before you do anything more than a chemical trial. From what I have read on here over the years, 2 months isn't long enough of a trial to move on to permanence.

I agree, it may sound early. It's the actual actions I am taking are recent, but I have asexual mindset ever since I can remember.

I noticed that I have higher T than average because I was always taller and more physically capable than my friends as is my whole family which I believe is inherited. I often used to hear of "having good genes". And that was seriously troublesome for years. My asexual mindset simply doesn't get along with my highly sexual body. I have also noticed for several years now that high T spikes makes me feel *very* whacked, similar like after enormous meal when I just sit dizzy and feeling dumb.

The last 2 months I practiced chemical castration and I can honestly say that my mind feels clear and it does not drift anymore. In general I feel lighter and more stable and so I am quite impressed with the results. In fact I am surprised that I waited for so long and now it seems like the only way to go. The only concern I have is what if it is temporary and low T in the long run will bring more trouble than high T? After reading many papers I am still fully convinced that it can't be worse, but extreme cases happen and I feel ready to take the risk. The point of this thread is to know about real experiences from full eunuchs.

[ukdesexed (imported)]

The last 2 months I practiced chemical castration and I can honestly say that my mind feels clear and it does not drift anymore. In general I feel lighter and more stable and so I am quite impressed with the results. .

I don't want to seem critical i know we are all different but just like Wolf-pup says two months does not seem a very long time to experience chemical castration before starting on alcohol injections which can become permanent very quickly, i was still experiencing changes one year in on chemicals and didn't start on alcohol injections until some time after that, the effect has been very quick and with no going back. It seems reading your post that you have doubts about loosing testosterone for your mental capability, therefore I would hold back on the injections and just carry on with the chemicals until all your questions have been answered and you have at least experienced that for a decent length of time, from my experience your adrenial gland will be making more T to compensate for the lack of T elsewhere to begin with, especially in the first few months which were a complete roller coaster for me, it wasnt until about the 6 month mark I really felt the chemicals had won and the body had stopped fighting them and i was really experiencing having low T which was verified by having my testosterone levels measured, then the next six months i really noticed the changes and for me its taken a very long time to get used to it both mentally and physically

[raymar2020 (imported)]

I have basically been a eunuch all my life. My testicles never did function in a normal way. My brain therefore developed without the influence of any T at all until puberty. I ws 12 when they started dosing me with T. It was never a high dose, always below "normal" as the doctors were hoping to inspire my testicles to work, not provide a replacement for them.

I have a very high mental acuity, and find that I can lose myself in tasks both mental and physical where I am almost functioning like a machine. I think that T has little affect on that aspect of my life. I will freely admit that when my levels are low I feel more tired, and have way less energy, but I do not see a big change in my mind power. My ability to focus is not altered.

Like others I would caution you to move slowly towards sugical castration. It is a life changing decision. Whether you identify as straight or gay, (even asexual people are aware of their sexuality) castration changes you permenantly. For the straight, it means no ability to procreate, which women seem to have issues with. In the gay community it can certainly be seen as a negative by potential partners.

Long term use of chemical castration drugs is hard on the body, and is not a real option, but at your stated age, and having said that you are physically fit, I would advise staying with that route for a year or so. Many of us who are regular users of this site are more than willing to have a private dialogue with those who ask. Reach out and ask lots of questions.

There are also many questions that you must ask yourself , as only you can answer them. For starters will I want children some day, am I obligated by family to procreate? What sort of companionship do you really desire in your life? Humans are social animals, and close contact ,especially with someone who shares your home will usually require at least some level of sexual activity.

For me castration proved to solve several long standing problems not the least of which was pain, so it has been a good choice for me. Others on this site have different feelings, and only by sampling thoughts from many can you even begin to form an intelligent decision for yourself.

Raymar

[Hash (imported)]

I believe the effects of castration can cause both mental and physical problems. Loss of testosterone causes muscle atrophy and contributes to weight gain, which has detrimental effects upon one's overall health. As for mental acuity, I've heard both positive and negatives. Some eunuchs state that without the interference of testosterone, they can think and concentrate more on what they're working on. Some have stated that they seem to be in a mental fog. However, I'm not sure that an intelligent intact man who is castrated will become less intelligent or less sharp mentally, perhaps there's just an adjustment period to the loss of testosterone. I myself am not qualified to say since I use a small amount of testosterone replacement. I use a small amount to ward off depression, osteoporosis, etc. My blood levels are steady between 125-135mg's. Without this small amount of testosterone I do not function well emotionally, so perhaps it's not so much an intelligence or mental problem, but emotional interference for some. My two cents. Hash

[janekane (imported)]

Very close to twenty years ago, I set out to learn whether or not I could acquire a Ph.D. in bioengineering. In the summer of 1986, I had undergone both a bilateral orchiectomy and a total colectomy with ileo-rectal anastomosis with the purpose of both of those surgeries being the plausible reduction of my risk of dying rather young from cancer, something my dad and brother managed to do, and something a number of other close family relatives seemed to have managed to do. The orchiectomy was as though trivial, no hot flashes, a subjective sense of improved mental and physical functioning, and life for me was only improved. During my years of living with apparently normal male testosterone levels, I experienced testosterone as though it was a mild to moderate poison, and that experience went away when normal male testosterone levels went away.

I have no definite understanding of how common my experience might be; I am loathe to presume that anyone else will have results from castration that are nearly identical to my results. On the other hand, my sense of being somewhere along the non-binary gender spectrum seems to me to have been an aspect of my life before I was born.

Knowing of family cancer risk before I became a teen age, I studied aspects of cancer risk with intense (high functioning autism intense, I suppose might be an accurate description) diligence, and came to the conclusion while yet teen age that my encounter with testosterone might wisely last only so long as needed for doing my part to increase human population, were I ever to become married. I did become married and my wife and I did initiate our daughter's life. Once I had accomplished my duty of perpetuating the human species with a 50% replacement rate (two parents and one offspring), I figured that my duty had become one of being around to help our daughter live her life for as long as she seemed to benefit from my help.

So, it is wise to consider whether castration might or might not be a "bad mistake" for a particular person. I spent about 25 years doing my "due diligence," and did it well enough that I have never had the first twinge of regret.

As for that bioengineering doctorate thingy, I did get it, using my experiences following the colectomy and morphine given to control post-colectomy surgical pain, for the theme of my doctoral thesis and dissertation.

For those who are driven by circumstances into self-improvement for want of any practical alternative, please rest assured that doing a total colectomy with ileo-rectal anastomosis as self-surgery is, methinks, immensely outside the realm of the possible. With a terrible family history of cancer, especially colon cancer, I set out to find surgeons who would violate the social prejudice of macho manhood, for both surgeries, because I thought that colon cancer probably represented a somewhat greater threat to my life than did prostate cancer. However, I found a doctor who agreed with the orchiectomy before I found a doctor who agreed with the colectomy.

My best guess yet is that the way I am autistic terribly bothered my second grade teacher at Marshall School, in Eureka, California, when I was a student in her class during the 1946-7 school year. I did not know how to tell lies effectively on command of my teacher, who "knew" that all second grade boys are superbly skilled in the art of effective telling of lies. As I recall, every other "boy" in that class readily admitted to having lied whenever so commanded by our teacher; I had no clue as to what the teacher wanted or how to do what the teacher wanted. Also, that teacher was unable to tell me what she wanted in any way that I was able to understand.

So, when I did not admit to telling lies on command from our teacher, that teacher, as best I can determine, decided that I was defying her classroom authority in some utterly impermissible manner, and I was sent off to the principal's office, where I was paddled for being defiant until I entered the realm of the immense terror of agitated catatonia; which terror state the principal misunderstood as my having learned "my lesson." Alas, more than 65 years later, I have never yet learned the ways of effective lying.

So, when I was given morphine for the post-colectomy surgical pain, morphine not only managed that pain, it also managed the remembered pain of being paddled into agitated catatonic terror in second grade, sometimes twice in one day, and rarely less than once a week, during the first about three-quarters of second grade. For the last about one-quarter of second grade, my parents were able to get me put in another school in Eureka, where the school district administration made it clear that I was never to be paddled no matte what I did; it took my parents most of my time in second grade to get me to enough doctors who understood that I was being horribly abused to convince the school district administration of what was actually being done to me; shattering abuse...

Came the colectomy and morphine, and I became aware that the remembered pain of that second grade abuse in school was becoming managed by morphine in ways that seemed to me might eventually allow me to act out the terror in terrible ways, and I sought asylum in psychiatric hospitalizations, with the goal of finding a more viable way of managing the remembered terror of second grade than the form of multiple personality dissociation that had worked well enough prior to my being given morphine.

To me, every person has an absolutely unique life, and an absolutely unique life story, and I disallow any and every "most people" social tradition because I have never, never ever, met so much as one "most people." To me, there is no "most people," and therefore, what "most people" do never is done because there is never any "most people" who could (and would?) do what "most people" would do if "most people" actually existed.

I have never believed that it is possible to avoid making mistakes; I have always observed that every mistake or accident or other event which actually happened was actually unavoidable in the total context of its happening; all the events of every sort that actually happen are necessarily actually unavoidable when they actually happen, because, were such events actually avoidable, they would actually have been avoided.

In my life, all actually avoidable events of every possible kind are always actually avoided; that is how I know such events were actually avoided, although, because such events are always actually avoided, I can never know, be familiar with, or understand what any and every actually-avoidable event actually was because such events never actually were. Funny things seem to happen when I tell this to various attorneys-at-law.

Anyway, as for avoiding mistakes and my bioengineering thesis and dissertation...

I set out to define two words with all the accuracy I could muster. Those two words were "learning" and "mistake." For the purposes of doing a doctoral dissertation involving human subjects and research risks, my field work study was named, "An Inquiry Into the Nature of Mistakes." For the purpose of my thesis work, I found that I needed to define "mistake" in the least mistaken way I could imagine. And also, because I was working at doing a research doctorate, and because research is about learning, I found that I needed to define "learning' in the most learned way I could imagine. Those two thesis-need-based needs impelled me into the realm of operational definitions, as the making of mistakes and learning are both processes.

So, my operational definitions, for which I welcome any improvements:

A mistake occurs when someone does something, and what happens as a result is not exactly, in every detail, precisely what was anticipated.

Learning occurs when someone does something, and what happens as a result is not exactly, in every detail, precisely what was anticipated.

There is a cutesy thing in formal logic, sometimes named the law of rational inference, which methinks may be stated thus:

If A is identical in certain particulars to B, and if B is identical in the same particulars to C, then C is identical to A in those same particulars.

So, if we let A = "A mistake";

And we let B = "occurs when someone does something, and what happens as a result is not exactly, in every detail, precisely what was anticipated.";

And we also let C = "Learning";

Then, in the particulars of someone doing something, "A mistake" and "Learning" are identical (neurological?) processes.

So, if I set out to avoid making mistakes, I find that I have set out to avoid learning.

What could I ever do that would be more profoundly tragic than setting out to avoid learning?

[jako9999 (imported)]

I have now been a eunuch for 15 months and I don't think any brain cells have died I just think its all down to being a bit more tired

Therefore a bit slower I can still work things out and as I'm a paramedic sometimes I have to think fast and i havent left a trail of dead people behind me so things must be OK mind you I do want to nod of a lot more and I have put a good few pounds on