Has anyone tried progesterone cream to lower libido?

[iamdaniel (imported)]

Anyone? If so, what kinds of results? Does it actually reduce testosterone or just increase progesterone? Or does the latter induce the former?

[foxytaur (imported)]

http://link.springer.com/article/10.100 ... 010-0048-0

Unless you want breast cancer. Sure knock yourself out. Progesterone will lower T,helps breast growth, and raise female libido(dubious at best) . But good docs advise TG/TS gals against it. Especially if your family has a history prone to breast cancer

In end all good good things come at a price.

[fhunter]

Depo provera is basically progesterone, in depo form. It is used for chemical castration (in rather high doses), and works for that.

Progesterone also promotes breast glandular tissue growth during pregnancy (so, I, like totally, see a link with cancer. If you feed the test rats enough of any stuff, they will definitely get it). Returning to glandular tissue and use of progesterone in TG/TS, IMO, follow the money, slow breast growth/wrong shape == more implants, and that brings more money (and to the very same doctor recommending it), than use of progesterone.

As for the cream or it's safety, I do not know.

[foxytaur (imported)]

Id go for fake implants anytime.

I guess it's gonna be luck of the draw whether my breast tissue grows to be bigger thab B cup.

Weird thing is despite my low weight I possess a small degree of man titties "Moobs"(very spongy at that)

No amt of crunches and chest work in past could get rid of this fat. I really don't think I can get rid of it. Nor do I think it's fat .Feels like soft bumpy dots too. I'm almost certain its gynecomastia like 150%. How can I be this fit and skinny yet have man boobs?

Had it all my life too.

Dad's side of family tits are double D's and huge for females.

Mom's side are pretty small. B cup size.

NB = I lol at people home injecting silicon.

Even worse fucking cement. XD

[devi (imported)]

The problem is that if your testes happen to be in good working order then any type of sex hormone that enters into your circulation in excess will eventually be converted by your glands into testosterone. The hormones are governed by ratios and not by quantities and the testes would reestablish what it considers to be its base ratio and this time with more testosterone than beforehand. You're dealing with the dreaded "bearded lady syndrome" here. Also "roid rage". I kind of think that one certain person who was previously here did exhibit symptoms of roid rage. Hard to tell though.

[foxytaur (imported)]

But Devi Estrogen doesnt aromatize to T. Only goes from T to E.Aromatase is a one way path enzyme sorta deal.

My goal is to inhibit T-production to a decent E>T ratio.(I want it to stay this way)

If that means a decent(but not ultra high) dose of spiro + high estrogen so be it.

On the plus side my results came back. (doc didnt specify exact numbers. moles/cubic ml of blood)

LOL from previous clinic checks my DHT is high but Free T is excessively low.

I don't think im sensitive to DHT.

Still surprised though DHT didnt change feautures yet. Im kinda crossing my fingers

too.

Ive asked my doc to email me the results. This will be interesting.

He wants me to go on more T. I refused .

NB = Ill be making sure to use nizoral and propecia if my hair recedes. My sister said not to worry though. hairline is still juvenile (uneven) , thick and course.

More white hairs!!!!!! . though

[Uncle Flo (imported)]

White hair is a good thing. I speak from experience. --FLO--

[~Tiamat~ (imported)]

But Devi Estrogen doesnt aromatize to T. Only goes from T to E.Aromatase is a one way path enzyme sorta deal.

Progesterone does though (in adrenals and in tissue.) I'm almost certain now the microgest I took for a bit was being converted disproportionately. You can get synthetic progesterones / progestogens which will not convert - I'm back to taking Duphaston now and it seems to be one of the reasons I've picked up.

Also Devi said specifically that functional testes will cause a problem. I believe there is a feedback loop where the body will try to balance high E with more T (as opposed to the gonadotropin route where it will be surpressed) but I could be mistaken - someone who knows what they are talking about would have to qualify that!

[devi (imported)]

There are many types of estrogen, not just estradiol which is generally referred to as "estrogen" in colloquial. Most of these estrogens are in fact not sexual hormones and have benefits for your heart, brain, and muscles and so forth. The body does somehow change the chemistry of these estrogens in order to serve what it feels is needed. In essence testosterone and progesterone can be considered to be "estrogens" (male estrogens). An endocronologist would be better able to describe this and has a lot more understanding of this than I would. I'm no expert. But however I have read where many people have messed themselves up by indiscriminately taking whatever hormones they could without consulting an endocronologist. The body can convert progesterone and estrogen into testosterone although in normal indivividuals the reverse is true but it CAN be either way. Wikipedia has had good articles on estrogen. Progesterone in my mind tends to make one behave as if they have paranoia. You'll notice animals when they become pregnant start secluding themselves and being stand-offish. Also their voice lowers and you know that they are pregnant. Even if you should have teeny tiny testicles these glands while not being able to produce a sufficient amount of testosterone on their own can however take from whatever excessive amounts of sex hormones are in the body and tweak them into testoterone in the ratio it wants. In the meantime you'd be growing breasts, maybe even huge if you have those genes, you'd be behaving paranoid like if you had an embryo to protect, you'd be behaving aggressively towards others, AND you'd find yourself with classic 'roid rage'. I remember having once come into contact with a bearded lady. She had a shotgun or else some other pump-action (wasn't going to find out) and I raised my hands, took a bow and told her I'd swear to never be back and backed off and then ran. Sweat came later.

[Jorge2008 (imported)]

Interesting, you have low free T but have an excessive sex drive. In my case, too, my free testosterone is somewhat below average, but I'm obviously hypersexual.

But Devi Estrogen doesnt aromatize to T. Only goes from T to E.Aromatase is a one way path enzyme sorta deal.

My goal is to inhibit T-production to a decent E>T ratio.(I want it to stay this way)

If that means a decent(but not ultra high) dose of spiro + high estrogen so be it.

On the plus side my results came back. (doc didnt specify exact numbers. moles/cubic ml of blood)

LOL from previous clinic checks my DHT is high but Free T is excessively low.

I don't think im sensitive to DHT.

Still surprised though DHT didnt change feautures yet. Im kinda crossing my fingers

too.

Ive asked my doc to email me the results. This will be interesting.

He wants me to go on more T. I refused .

NB = Ill be making sure to use nizoral and propecia if my hair recedes. My sister said not to worry though. hairline is still juvenile (uneven) , thick and course.

More white hairs!!!!!! . though