The Higgs Boson pokes back (oh drat, it's not what you expected)

[moi621 (imported)]

Beyond Fusion

A Higgs Boson Extractor; the key to clean energy?

Just pull those little H-B suckers out of a mass and release energy,

Gimme some of that Ivory Tower Polish

[jemagirl (imported)]

Maybe they should quit calling the Higgs Boson the God particle and start calling it the padre particle since it gives mass.

[nullorchis (imported)]

The whole concept of believing, or not believing, from my particular perspective, is irrelevant, a waste of time, and self deception.

Something either IS, or it IS NOT, and believing or not believing won't change the truth or the facts.

The problem so often is that we mere mortals don't know the truth, don't know the facts, may never be able to find out, or even having found what seems to be a truth or a fact, it might not be. So based upon empirical repeatable evidence we can reasonably suspect that a fact or truth has been determined.

Even though I am no scientist and have no scientific instruments or way of measuring or proving that gravity exists, I do not say that "I believe' in gravity.

I say, for a fact (that I can't prove) , gravity exists because under identical testing circumstances, a rock dropped will travel towards the earth at a repeatable measurable amount of time. It just IS.

Somethingi like religion, for example, does not have predictable measurable repeatable results under identical circumstances.

And while I do not say I don't believe in God, I don't say I believe in God.

That something may exist seems plausible.

That something may not exist seems plausible too.

The mystery of life. We have not the ultimate answer, yet, and may never have one.

Celebrating the unknown mystery of life without attaching mystical symbolism, smells and bells, smoke and mirrors, angels and devils, symbolic caucasian man, works good enough for me. Life IS. Why? Unknown. It's a mystery. Celebrate the mystery and be open to anything. Life could just be an accident of chemicals melding. Or not.

For me personally, calling this new particle discovery the "god" particle is so unscientific, downright dumb and plays into the concept of believing or not believing.

Calling it the "source" particle would make more sense.

Even so, is there something beyond it, that is as of yet undiscovered?

Is there a source beyond the source?

We may never know.

With many new discoveries we inadvertently disprove a prior known "fact".

Believing or not believing that the newly discovered particle is the ultimate source particle will never change the fact of whether it IS, or IS NOT.

And if we never discover something beyond the newly discovered particle, that does not mean that something does or does not exist.

Accepting what we know, and accepting that we will never know everything, and getting away from this foolishness of believing or not believing seems like a better choice.

Now we might suspect something to be this way, or that way, or to exist, or not exist.

By suspecting we leave ourselves open to the need for research, evidence, and the possibility of any outcome.

But when people get locked into "believing", they set themselves up for trouble.

They can't provide detailed evidence about why they believe, it just "IS", or "IS NOT".

And they believe so firmly that if you question, doubt, or unwisely ridicule what they believe in, this creates a collision course.

They are not open to possibilities. They are locked in thought. Unable to prove their position, and the opposing side unable to prove theirs.

Both fighting a battle that should not be engaged in, and can not be won.

So if you believe in something, please keep it to yourself. Waste not my time.

If you question the universe, wonder, suspect, and are open to any possibility, you do yourself good.

We don't even know if tinkering around with this source particle might cause some unexpected consequence.

A new "big bang". A black hole? X-rays seemed like a great discovery to cure certain ailments. We tinkered with it before we really knew its consequences.

Will we ever learn from our mistakes?

[Riverwind (imported)]

Nice post, thanks.

River

[foxytaur (imported)]

Will we ever learn from our mistakes?

Jeopardy: What is no?

We don't neccesarily learn from our mistakes per say. Many times we tweak our model to improve from our mistakes. That's pretty much human to me.

If we learned from our mistakes we wouldn't be having too many diverse issue to resolve

Human are adaptive creatures.

Doesn't mean were smart, we still fight with each other and stir a shitstorm.

Why don't we ever seem to learn from our past historical mistakes?

They seem to repeat over and over again.

[moi621 (imported)]

Just when you thought you were safe and comfy in your "quantum box" thinking,



A Second Higgs Boson? Physicists Debate New Particle

http://news.yahoo.com/second-higgs-boso ... 51108.html

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Physicists confirmed in March that a new

particle discovered at the world's largest atom smasher,

the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), is, in fact, the Higgs boson. This particle, which weighs about 126 times the mass of a proton, appears to fit the Standard Model of physics, the dominant theory of particle physics. In this model, the Higgs boson is related to the Higgs field, an energy field that pervades space and is thought to imbue many particles with mass. The thinking goes that just as swimmers would get wet moving through a pool, as particles move through the Higgs field they would gain mass.

This "vanilla" Higgs has been something of a disappointment to physicists hoping to find something that would upend their theories. There are more flavors of Higgs B's out there, maybe Rocky Road. And would they all be truly, Mr. Higgs Bosons?

"Sometime in November, I was depressed a little bit by the fact that everything lines up so well," Klute said. "They call this 'post-discovery depression.'"

But researchers say there's more to learn about the Higgs, including whether it's the only one. It's possible that when the Large Hadron Collider revs up again in 2015 with more power, scientists may be able to detect heavier variations of the Higgs boson. Or variations may be hiding in the data collected already.

"As far as 'Is the Higgs standard or not standard,' we're not in the game yet," said Michael Peskin, a physicists at SLAC National Accelerator Laboratory at Stanford University. "We will be in the game later this decade, but right now it's just an open question."



Avoid faith based Science for Science sake!

My atheism regarding the God particle remains substantiated. Almost as if Anti Higgs Boson thought creates substance. Hhhmmm.

Moi

I wonder if there is a kosher Higgs boson too

[A-1 (imported)]

So, if there is a Higgs boson, is there a Higgs Forecastle for them to attend to?

Maybe, but I hear that there is no foreskin...

A Cabin Boy on an old Clipper

Grew steadily flipper and flipper,

He stuffed his ass

with shards of glass,

...and thus circumcised his old SKIPPER...

[Dave (imported)]

But the LHC won't restart until 2015. ANd then, and then, and then, (shhhh, I'm channeling a song in my head) they'll take a year to analyze mountains of data before they announce anything.

[transward (imported)]

You know for about 90% of the people, the word science means exactly what the word magick meant to the average person of the middle ages. A technically advanced person in the middle ages showing a rube something new, say a cell phone, on being asked would explain, "Oh, its magic. We train timy demon to fly through the air delivering messages." and the rube would nod knowingly and say "magic demons, oh I understand." to the modern rube he says "Oh, its science. Radio waves fly through the air to the phone carrying the message coded within." and the rube nods knowingly and says "Coded radio waves carrying messages, Oh I understand." I am not sure that the modern rube has any greater understanding than the medieval, just because he call the causitive agent radio waves rather than demons.

I feel the same way about things like the Higgs. I am sure the scientists know what exactly they are talking about. But me, I know if I jump off the Aurora Bridge, due to gravity, I will fall towards the center of the earth, probably with negative consequences to my health, but how that is related to some particle that takes billions and billions of Euros to build a tool to discover I have no clue. The words mean as much to me as the words of Paracelsus, the medieval alchemist and doctor, as he describes how the four classical elements Earth, Air, Fire and Water are really principals manifested by Elementals: gnomes, sylphs, nymphs and salamanders. And I have absolutely no idea what is strange about a strange quark or what direction is up to a top quark.

Arthur C Clarke said it best that "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

Transward

[Dave (imported)]

It's not that hard to understand that everything, from the largest structure of the universe to the smallest particle or wave in quantum mechanics is explainable by science.

It is not magic, it is not the invisible hand of some omnipotent being, it is nothing more than the interactions of rather bizarre particles and waves.

If you don't accept that they you are no better than the Ancients who worshipped trees and rocks and phallic totems with bloody sacrifices...