swllzgs1 (imported) wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:54 am
May be you used a very high concentration. At a lower concentration, may be 10%, the pain may not be so strong.
I think you are right about the pain, but if I recall correctly it is less effective at 10%. Ultimately I think there are safer methods. If you read through this thread there are a lot of reports of this process going awry.
I can make up with more injections if I can avoid strong pain. CaCl2 causes cell apoptosis in general, it works even at 5mM (google), which is 0.075%. 10% is still hundreds times more than 5mM to trigger cell death. Alcohol specifically kills leydig cells, which makes testosterones. However, leydig cells can be regenerated in testicles.
swllzgs1 (imported) wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:21 am
I can make up with more injections if I can avoid strong pain. CaCl2 causes cell apoptosis in general, it works even at 5mM (google), which is 0.075%. 10% is still hundreds times more than 5mM to trigger cell death. Alcohol specifically kills leydig cells, which makes testosterones. However, leydig cells can be regenerated in testicles.
Fair enough, I am not as familiar with the biochemical processes as you are. Certainly I think this is an effective method, but I think it's important to be aware of the risks. Maybe 10% is a good balance that would be a bit safer. I don't think we have had enough people test at that concentration to report their results.
Day 10 Update: In the last 24hrs the scrotum skin has mostly returned to normal. The protrusion that I suspected was a hydrocele, which I now believe to be either inflammation of the epididymis or a cyst, has decreased in size. Pain and discomfort are mostly gone, although random pains do appear from time to time. This morning I was able to ejaculate and afterwards I did have some pain in the testicles and inguinal areas, which is now receding. I wonder if ejaculation causes some CaCl to move from the testicle to the epididymis.
2 Week update: The last week was much less dramatic than the first. The irritation of the scrotum skin has gone away. Most of the swelling in the testicles is now gone, although they are slightly larger than pre-injection. The protrusion that I mentioned in the last 2 posts seems to have gotten smaller, but it is difficult to confirm. The testicles themselves have started to become hard and dense like rubber balls, although not entirely. Both testicles still have a squishy softer area. In terms of discomfort, overall the testicles are much less sensitive, but I noticed today that sometimes when walking I would feel a dull pain when they would hit one another.
One last thought to share: I noticed that many people, including myself, have noticed that their scrotum remains tight more often than before. Normally this would be related to temperature, but even when I'm warm they remain very tight. If anyone knows why this is, I'm very curious.
3 Week Update: The last week has been much less eventful than the first two. The swelling continues to go down. The shape of the testicles has changed as their size has decreased. Each is about 1/2 - 2/3 hard with the left being harder than the right. There is a ridge on the side of either that did not previously exist. The size/shape of the testicles does seem to change throughout the day as others have noted. In terms of discomfort, I generally am able to go about my day without issue. With that being said I have been noticing that I frequently feel discomfort when moving around. This discomfort is very similar to how normal testicles would feel if lightly tapped. This feeling seems to come and go. Sometimes I also have short shooting pains in the cords, often during masturbation.
One topic I have not touched on is hormones. Others have reported feeling hormonal changes at this point. I think I am experiencing some changes there as well, but it's hard to know what symptoms are caused by hormones and which are not. I have noticed that I no longer have erections throughout the day or in the morning, but I am able to get one from physical touch and it seems about as hard as before. I have put in a small amount of fat, which is very unusual for me. And I found myself crying after a slightly sad TV show, which is also unusual. Additionally, I have night sweats every night, but that could be partially due to temperature. I suspect that these changes are caused by my hormone levels changing, but the changes are not as pronounced as I had expected.
I tried using a 25g 1 inch needle at a 45 degree angle with the "skin" pulled as if I was doing a subcutaneous injection, but it hurt too much.
What should I try so I can get through the scrotum painlessly? Is there a specific needle size and length I use? Is there a specific place in that area I am supposed to inject at?
Is there anyway to numb the scrotum without using lidocaine topical cream (5%) as it was difficult to apply and even after leaving it on for 40 minutes, it didn't work.
I heard salted ice water is a good way of numbing things, however I cannot find good enough instructions anywhere on how to make it.
I am worried that if I put ice cubes in salt water, I will get burns similar to when people do that immature thing where they put salt on their skin then put an icecube on top of that.
I am scared of the idea of having to go to ER because I have burns which in appearance look like frost bite on my genitalia and having to try and explain that without people thinking I am some sort of weird masochist wouldn't go down well.
Those are my questions, I hope I can get some kind of answer since I don't have the budget to get an orchiectomy nor to travel to a place where I can get one.
I tried using a 25g 1 inch needle at a 45 degree angle with the "skin" pulled as if I was doing a subcutaneous injection, but it hurt too much.
What should I try so I can get through the scrotum painlessly? Is there a specific needle size and length I use? Is there a specific place in that area I am supposed to inject at?
Is there anyway to numb the scrotum without using lidocaine topical cream (5%) as it was difficult to apply and even after leaving it on for 40 minutes, it didn't work.
I heard salted ice water is a good way of numbing things, however I cannot find good enough instructions anywhere on how to make it.
I am worried that if I put ice cubes in salt water, I will get burns similar to when people do that immature thing where they put salt on their skin then put an icecube on top of that.
I am scared of the idea of having to go to ER because I have burns which in appearance look like frost bite on my genitalia and having to try and explain that without people thinking I am some sort of weird masochist wouldn't go down well.
Those are my questions, I hope I can get some kind of answer since I don't have the budget to get an orchiectomy nor to travel to a place where I can get one.
Thank you.
I used a similar technique as you, but with a 27g needle. The thinner needle definitely hurts less. Additionally I did use lidocaine spray, which helped, but did not eliminate the pain. The lidocaine spray may work a bit better than cream, but it will not last 45 min. You spray, wait 2min, then you should have 10min of reduced sensation.
One final thought that I would like to leave you with is that if this goes wrong the cost will likely be much more than a simple orchiectomy. Personally if I could go back in time I would have a orchiectomy done by a doctor instead.
Week 4 Update: This may be my final weekly update. The changes are less dramatic now, so I will probably do less frequent updates. The size of the testicles has decreased slightly from last week, but not dramatically. It is challenging to say if they are smaller than when I started. There is still intermittent discomfort when moving around and being active, but it is very mild. The hard part of each teste is not sensitive, but the rest of the teste is slightly more sensitive than usual. I have noticed a decrease in body odor, which could be related to hormone levels. Additionally, I was having sex this morning and noticed that my penis started to get soft, and I was unable to finish easily. That is not something I am used to.
it's been a year and a half since i was castrated. for me, three shots of CaCl2, spaced a few months apart, permanently killed my balls. a few more months, repeated ultrasounds, and the doctor decided my testicles were dead. i had bilateral orchiectomy. this thread thought me all the steps. thank you! now i love the calm, love my limp and shrinking cock.
