Calcium Chloride and Other Salt Injections for Castration

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pinklust (imported) wrote: Fri Apr 12, 2013 2:24 pm I realize this is my first post, but I've been a long time post lurker.

I'm very interested in trying this process, though I'd prefer if someone knowledgeable provided some step by step instructions. I don't suppose there are vids of this process on youtube?... Just not confident in my distillation techniques, individual quantities, etc. I've performed ~40 everclear injections over the last year to both T's, but the T's seem to be rather resilient. Would find a few shots preferrable to another 40+ alcohol injections. Trust me, if I could afford Dr. Arnkopf, this part of the process would have been done years ago.

try getting a testosterone level checked. you may already be where you want to be. do it before starting more stuff - check your effectiveness.
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Hi All, here again a week late! Both testes continue to shrink slowly, are hard and numb. Package vol back to one handfull minimum, not as small as before the CaCl2 injections. Had two night sweats, no hot flashhes and one 'erection' (3 inches, compared to my old 6 inches) overnight after eating pork (probably caused by the testosterone in the pork). No libidinous signs at all. Hungry/dry-mouthed feeling is diminishing in intensity and duration. Scrotum is beginning to 'bunch up' during the day again. Feminine fatty deposits fully retained, weight down a couple of pounds to 169lbs. Want my balls to shrink more. Dodo1943
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Hello everyone. A little background on me: I'm a transwoman, I've been on hormones since my mid-teenage years, and I'm in my early twenties now. I've been wanting to get an orchiectomy for a LONG time, as it's extremely important for my transition. I've been watching this thread with a LOT of interest since it was posted, and I've waited quite a few months to see how everyone else (SplitDik, Something, and BrookeTS) fared.

I decided a little over a week ago I was going to go ahead and do this. I've spent COUNTLESS hours researching everything I could get my hands on about CaCl injection, as well as studying this thread and its posters. I purchased Food Grade CaCl from ebay (same stuff Something purchased), and a 100 pack box (I couldn't find any 10 packs) of 1cc insulin needles from an online medical supplier.

Yesterday (4/26/13), after having the supplies with me for a few days, I decided to go ahead and do it (basically on a whim, I thought I'd chicken out). I had NEVER stuck any sort of needle into my testicles before, and my experience with kinky CBT is very limited (I'm very sensitive, a light slap makes me go into panic mode), so I was very nervous.

I grabbed two needles out of the box, as well as my bottle of CaCl, some alcohol, and some neosporin. I washed my hands vigorously and sanitized my area as best I could. I poured copious amounts of rubbing alcohol on my scrotum, to try to reduce any sort of bacterial presence. I took the needle out of the sterile packaging, took the top off the bottle (I did this as quickly as possible, as to not give it too much access to open air), and filled up the syringe with about 1cc (though I wasn't going to use this much, but I have like an 8oz bottle so it didn't matter). I took a deep breath, super nervous, and started pushing the needle into my right testicle (at the bottom part of the testicle, with the testicle pushed as closely to the skin as possible). To my surprise, it was actually almost painless, just slightly uncomfortable. I was taken aback, as I expected it to be excruciating, having something stuck into your testicle! But nope, no real issue. I started pushing the syringe into it, and got about 0.15-0.25cc into my right testicle before I got nervous and took it out. No pain was present at this point.

I capped that needle and put it aside, opening up my next sterile needle, filling it up about 0.75cc, then tried to do the same with the left testicle. However, this time, I think I didn't stick it in at just the right angle or the right spot, as unlike the painless entry in the right testicle, at about 1/2 way in with the needle, I got this sudden feeling of extreme discomfort. It was like having your testicle squeezed REALLY, REALLY hard. In hindsight, I have a feeling I may have touched/pierced the epididymis, and not gone into the meat of the testicle as I had with the right one. At this point, I panicked a little, took the syringe out about 1/5 of the way, and maybe squeezed out about 0.15-0.25cc into this testicle. After removing the needle, no pain was present.

I cleaned up, and after about 5 minutes realized that I hardly put any into the testicles, and maybe I should just put some more in real quick before they start hurting. So I grabbed two more sterile needle packages, and accidentally touched the first one on the side of the CaCl bottle while trying to fill it up. I decided that probably wasn't very safe, so I capped and set that one aside. I took the other syringe out of its package and very carefully filled up the syringe to the full 1cc. After squirting out the air, I pierced my right testicle again (with much better aim this time around, compared to the left!) and put the needle all the way to the center of the testicle. Slowly pulling out, I pushed down on the plunger so as to spread the CaCl as much through the testicle as possible. I ended up putting about 0.5cc into this one. I could immediately tell, as it was a bit larger than before (maybe 30-40% larger). I did not end up re-injecting in my left testicle, as I ruined the first needle and was not about to use the same one twice, and didn't really feel like going to get another one (I sort of talked myself out of it, as I was nervous considering the pain from the first injection in this testicle.)

After all that, I cleaned up, took a couple aspirin ahead of time, and laid down. No pain was present, I ended up falling asleep for an hour. After about 2 hours, my right testicle had swollen up to about double its normal sized and was very tender. My left testicle hadn't noticeably changed, though it was also sore. The pain steadily increased and by about the 4-5 hour mark, it was pretty bad. Now, I've broken quite a few bones (more than 10), had many surgeries. This was not the most discomfort I've experienced, by far. However, the thing that is really terrible about this pain, is although it's maybe a 5.5-6/10, it's CONSTANT. It does not go away or change. It's this constant 6/10 dull ache and throb, it doesn't come or go. I found taking a very hot bath and soaking in it for about 20-30 minutes temporarily relieved the pain, but for no more than 10-15 minutes after getting out. After that, the pain would return. I believe it was BrookeTS who posted something about being ready to not be able to sleep for about 16-24 hours - this is VERY TRUE.

Both testicles throbbed non-stop between about 5 hours post-injection, to about 16-18 hours post injection. After this, my right testicle actually stopped hurting. It was tender and sore, but the throbbing stopped completely (unless it brushed against something or something touched it, as just getting up tends to cause your testicles to swing a little between your thighs! I got up very slowly after that first time :]). My left testicle, the one I assume I must have pierced the epididymis (and I assume injected some CaCl in that area), did not cooperate in the same fashion, however. It continued to throb terribly and CONSTANTLY (aspirin did not help, I was wishing so bad I had some hydrocodone!) until about the 25 hour mark. I basically was bed-ridden between 2 hours post-injection to 26 hours post-injection. I took about three baths between this times, as it was my only reprieve from the constant dull ache, though a short one. The pain was not as much in the testicle, as it was in the epididymis area and a vague discomfort going up towards the inguinal canal (but into it). I did not experience any sort of pain in my pelvis region or back, as some other posters experienced. My pain was solely focused on the testicles themselves.

Now I'm ~27 hours post-injection, and both testicles are tender and sore, but the ache is completely gone. There are no signs of ulceration or bruises at this point. My right testicle is still 2x the normal size, and my left testicle still does not seem affected. I expect I will have to re-inject my left testicle in a few weeks, as I'm guessing the rather small amount (0.15-0.25) I injected into that testicle did not actually affect any leydig cells, but merely tortured my epididymis for 25 hours :). So Dvdbll, please do get back to us on how your second shot ended up, as I expect I will be doing the same at some point! However, my right testicle definitely got a very good dose, so hopefully that will turn out excellently.

SplitDik asked a few posters how they felt emotionally, so I figure I'll delve into that a little bit. I'm very excited and hopeful, and though the pain wasn't fun, the entire time I was in the mindset of "This is only temporary, this is worth it. This is important for your future." The pain almost felt cleansing, it felt like I was finally removing this harmful and counter-productive organ from my body. So it was a good thing, and currently I'm in a good mood, especially since the pain has died down considerably. Though it may return at some point in the next few days, who knows.

As far as sex drive, I don't know if it was the pain or it has anything to do with the injection (I'm thinking pain), but I felt significantly more in control of my sexuality. Now, I've been on hormones for a long time, and currently I'm experiencing a shortage of hormones due to loss of insurance, but I've always been very sexual even without testosterone. My need for removal of the testicles is purely to aid feminization and reduce the amount of medicines I need to take. So I actually masturbated a few hours ago, no pain or anything (other than avoiding jostling my testicles). But for some reason, I felt more like I was in control of WHEN I wanted to be aroused, rather than arousal just coming and going as it pleases. Most likely just a placebo effect (or the fact I was in a lot of pain), who knows, but just a little anecdote.

I'll keep everyone informed over the next few months as to what happens. Thanks everyone, especially SplitDik, Something, and BrookeTS for contributing to this thread and being guinea pigs! It means a lot, and allowed me to get the courage to hopefully rid myself of this issue once and for all.

Thanks,

thequietone
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thequietone,

Thank you so much for the detailed account. Everything you mentioned rang so true to the common experience with this -- the preparation, the moment that is almost a whim where you embark on it, the surprise that you're actually going through with it, the conscious worries, the actual pain, the perseverance, and then suddenly you're through to a point where some success has been achieved.

I think the key to this method is the lack of initial pain -- it means that the chemical itself isn't just doing some acute damage, but that it is rather a more subtle longer-acting effect. The two to three days of significant discomfort seems to be common. What is amazing to me is all the animal literature goes on about how well the animals handle it, but I have to say it was pretty intense. Like you say, it is not actually a lot of pain but it is constant and enough pain to really cause some tough initial days.

It is sort of too bad that you didn't get the left testicle well the first time, because it means you'll have to undergo an extra round, but the main thing to me is that overall all methods of castration are quite painful -- you can read the multitude of studies where the recovery from surgical castration lasted weeks with pain, swelling, seeping, etc. Overall, seems that the best way to look at it is the way you did -- consider the pain part of the process towards your goal.

I think ideally anyone considering this method should also get injectable xylocaine. I think bme shop is selling it again. I don't think you need it for the initial time of injection but it would really be helpful when the pain is really hitting about 12 hours later and you need some sleep.
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thequietone (imported) wrote: Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:07 pm Hello everyone. A little background on me: I'm a transwoman, I've been on hormones since my mid-teenage years, and I'm in my early twenties now. I've been wanting to get an orchiectomy for a LONG time, as it's extremely important for my transition. I've been watching this thread with a LOT of interest since it was posted, and I've waited quite a few months to see how everyone else (SplitDik, Something, and BrookeTS) fared.

I'll keep everyone informed over the next few months as to what happens. Thanks everyone, especially SplitDik, Something, and BrookeTS for contributing to this thread and being guinea pigs! It means a lot, and allowed me to get the courage to hopefully rid myself of this issue once and for all.

Thanks,

thequietone

Hi Quietone,

I wish you all the best in your pursuit of happiness and your desire to be true to your inner self! I do not post as often as I did before my orchiectomy but I do like to check back in now and then to see how everyone is doing :) I read your post with great interest and hope you are able to accomplish your goal in a safe and effective manner. Be well and know that we are always here for you!

Hugs,

Brooke
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Congratulations, thequietone, for joining the experimental band; if it's any comfort to you, the pain does go away, and I have been left with a pair of numb, hard testes (7 weeks since I put 1.5mls of 40% CaCl2 into the middle of each). My package is still larger than it was before I injected, but it is still shrinking, albeit more slowly than it was a month ago. I have just done a 'sexual attraction' survey referenced by Jesus today, and was delighted to find that not ONE of the pictures of women and men stirred a flicker of sexual interest. I'm not really interested in taking my balls out either. I am beginning to look at both men and women as 'other' to me. Dodo1943
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Hello pioneers,

I've been inquiring about a surgical route but seem to run into a stone wall. I guess Eunuch isn't a qualified gender to be reassigned to. All of these impediments make a do-it-yourself procedure sound more necessary. One point that nobody has mentioned is the consideration of calcium choride leakage up the vas deferens. Many pioneers have reported problems in other areas, such as pain radiating to the hips and up into the lower belly and the inguinal regions. My question is: would getting a vasectomy help with a salt solution castration. The vasectomy could keep the solution from spreading to other areas. I love you all.
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Hello Be_eunique, I was vasectomised in 1971, over 40 y ago. After both my unsuccessful exterior tubal ligations ( see Pinhole castration? thread in Surgical Castration forum) and after my CaCl2 injection pain radiated up my inguinal canals and into the lower sides of my abdomen, so vasectomy did not prevent that radiation. I thought it was natural for ball injury pain to radiate up there so was not worried, just damn uncomfortable!. What I have noticed however is that my left varicocele which preexisted the ligations has got a whole lot bigger, but has become soft and painless ( rather than like tender spaghetti). My left testis continues to shrink, but the shrinkage in no way compensates for the increase in volume of the varicocele. Dodo1943
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I suppose it's time for an update! I'm currently two weeks and 1 day post injection, so let me catch everyone up to speed.

The pain that disappeared after the first 26 hours stayed that way until about 30-32 hours, and then abruptly came back. The next day I had trouble walking right, and standing upright was quite painful at times, though it seemed to come and go. The constant throb finally subsided about 2 and a half days, so nearly 72 hours, post injection. They continued to be very sore to the touch, though I still managed to have sex with my significant other unhindered (granted, very gently!). By about a week and a half, the pain had completely subsided and the was very little soreness (unless you pressed hard directly on the testicles).

As far as the testicles themselves go, the left testicle that I assumed I failed to inject properly had a swollen epididymis for about a week after the injections. Beyond that, it returned to its normal size within the first 5 days, and its texture/consistency was normal.

The right testicle, the one that I did get a good 0.5cc into, however, continued to be swollen into a week and a half. By about the 7 day mark, I noticed that the bottom part of the testicle where I did my original injection was... well... hard. However, it was ONLY the bottom part. Basically, the testicle ended up split halfway, with the top half towards the epididymis completely normal, and the bottom half somewhat hard and numb. Funny stuff, really. Other than that, nothing to really report.

Now, fast forward to today, 2 weeks and 1 day post-injection. I have another few days off and to myself, and seeing as my first injection was fairly unsuccessful (do to my own fault, not the CaCl itself), I went ahead about 30 minutes ago and reinjected.

I filled up one needle and tried again on my left testicle (the one I'm most concerned about), but again had a decent amount of pain. I'm not actually convinced that my previous hypothesis that I must have hit the epididymis was true, since I'm very certain I aimed correctly this time. The first injection I only got a small amount in (maybe 0.1cc) before it was painful, and I took it out. I injected again from another spot and managed to maybe get 0.2cc in this time. I'm not quite sure what's so difficult with this testicle! But we'll see what happens.

As for the right testicle, I filled up the needle and injected maybe 0.4cc into the top half of the testicle, the part that still feels normal. I'm hoping it's enough to end off the top half, but we'll have to see about that.

As for now, I'm taking some ibuprofen and laying back, hunkering down for the next few days with plenty of water, good food, and some good ol' World of Warcraft. I'm expecting similar amounts of pain to the first time, though perhaps I'll get lucky. I'll have to see how this goes and figure out what to do from here, as I expect I once again failed to get enough in my left testicle.

I wish you all luck in your eunuch endeavors :).
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Hello again, everyone! I hope you're all doing well in your pursuit of happiness through castration :).

72 hour post-second-injection update time!

This injection, unlike the first one, actually started hurting almost immediately. The pain was a dull ache, maybe a 3-4, within about 5-10 minutes of injection. I figure it's just because of the fact that it wasn't exactly fully healed from the previous one. The discomfort gradually grew up to about a 6 or a 7, as I sat down and watched a movie to try to take my mind off of things. Here is the interesting part, after the first injection my left testicle was what hurt the most, even though it got half the dose at best of the right testicle. However, this time the right testicle was the one bothering me quite badly. The pain actually wasn't really focused as much on the testicle (like it was last time), but more right in the base of the inguinal canal. Not too far up, but just right in the little nook you can push your testicles into. I tried icing it, which didn't quite dull the pain as much as it just distracted from the discomfort. I also had a bit of discomfort (though I wouldn't call it pain, just discomfort) in my lower back (this did not occur after the first injection).

The pain actually grew to its worst, probably about 12-24 hours after the injection. I'd say if the first injection was a 5-6, this was a 7.5-8.5. Not screaming in pain, but it's just the constant, throbbing, pulsating pain that doesn't go away (though sometimes goes back and forth in waves of slightly less and more). The first 24 hours of this were really way worse than the first time.

However, I decided to take the easy way out. I ended up getting about 20 hydrocodone at the end of day one, and I was taking a mixture of 10mg Hydrocodone/500mg Acetaminophen (Vicodin/Lortab), 125mg Naproxen, 650mg aspirin, and some Promethazine (I forget the dosage, but two pills. Promethazine wards off opiate nausea). I SERIOUSLY envy you all who live in a country with either national health care, or over the counter Tylenol 3 (Codeine + Acetaminophen). That would really be all I need to get through this sort of pain - but I have no health insurance, and in the US, Codeine is a controlled substance and you can't buy it without a prescription.

This mixture quickly took effect and alleviated my pain completely. I was taking that about every 6 hours, and the pain in my inguinal canal and both testicles basically disappeared unless a good amount of pressure was applied. I still have 10 hydrocodone left, and should I inject one last time, I will definitely be using them from the start. This injection is much like smoking - there's a 3 day hump, so to speak. Once you get past the first 3 days, you're fine.

As of now, my left testicle (the troubled one) is slightly swollen with a very minor testicular hydrocele. My right testicle is still twice it's original size, with a large hydrocele* around the area towards the inguinal canal.

(Note: I previously forgot to mention, my research leads me to believe that the swollen feeling around the testicle is what is known as a secondary hydrocele. This a build up of harmless fluid which can be caused by many different things, such as testicular inflammation, from the irritation caused by the CaCl. It's not dangerous, the first injection I got a significant amount of fluid buildup around my right testicle, and it went away completely within 5 days).

So from here on out, I'm going to give it another 2-3 months. I'll be purchasing my hormones (Estrogen/Progesterone) this month, so I'll have less to lose then. If I see no improvement or difference in 2-3 months, I'll probably end up reinjecting. Next time, I'm going to buy some lidocaine and take a pain killer first, then do the injection. The thing that keeps messing me up is the sudden extreme discomfort when I plunge the needle into the left testicle, along with the pain when I push down on the plunger. It makes me panic and I end up only getting a little in before I pull out the needle to relieve the pain.

However, I'm by no means in any way going to give up. These things are going to be dead, one way or another. I've been on hormones for over 5 years, I'm 21, I need these things gone. I want to stop having to worry about running out of hormones, about hurting my liver from taking anti-androgens (such as flutamide, spironolactone, etc). I want to rid myself of these tumors that really are not apart of the real me.

However, now I'm ranting. I'll keep you all informed on what happens. Please do the same! We're here to support each other as "pioneers"! :). I know I write a novel every time, but I just hope that someone gets some sort of comfort from my words.

Goodluck all, be safe.
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