Calcium Chloride and Other Salt Injections for Castration

[MissMyra (imported)]

I have a few questions, and I'm wondering if some of you chemists can help me.

Does anyone know the maximum concentration of CaCl2 in water and in ethanol? I'd like to make my own solution using pickle crisp, which I should be able to find locally, and I'm wondering if I should use distilled water or 151-proof alcohol, which is the highest concentration that can be sold where I live. From what I've found online, it seems that water can hold ~33% (maybe more) but ethanol holds closer to 20%. Because the alcohol is 75% ethanol, that should be about 23% CaCl2, perhaps more if the pickle crisp is not anhydrous, which I doubt it is. If my numbers about the solubility of CaCl2 in water and ethanol are wrong, however, those calculations would be wrong.

My plan is to simply keep adding CaCl2 to the liquid until no more will dissolve.

I seem to remember reading in this topic that some of the studies showed that using an alcohol-based solution worked better but couldn't find the post when I looked. If that's the case, I'm wondering if 20%+ CaCl2 in 150-proof alcohol might be a better option than 30%+ CaCl2 in water. I'd love to hear your thoughts!

Incidentally, I'm not concerned about infections with either option. Based on my extremely limited knowledge of chemistry, the thought of bacteria surviving in either solution seems impossible. Please let me know if this is a crazy notion!

Thanks everyone!

[SplitDik (imported)]

I have a few questions, and I'm wondering if some of you chemists can help me.

Does anyone know the maximum concentration of CaCl2 in water and in ethanol? I'd like to make my own solution using pickle crisp, which I should be able to find locally, and I'm wondering if I should use distilled water or 151-proof alcohol, which is the highest concentration that can be sold where I live. From what I've found online, it seems that water can hold ~33% (maybe more) but ethanol holds closer to 20%. Because the alcohol is 75% ethanol, that should be about 23% CaCl2, perhaps more if the pickle crisp is not anhydrous, which I doubt it is. If my numbers about the solubility of CaCl2 in water and ethanol are wrong, however, those calculations would be wrong.

My plan is to simply keep adding CaCl2 to the liquid until no more will dissolve.

I seem to remember reading in this topic that some of the studies showed that using an alcohol-based solution worked better but couldn't find the post when I looked. If that's the case, I'm wondering if 20%+ CaCl2 in 150-proof alcohol might be a better option than 30%+ CaCl2 in water. I'd love to hear your thoughts!

Incidentally, I'm not concerned about infections with either option. Based on my extremely limited knowledge of chemistry, the thought of bacteria surviving in either solution seems impossible. Please let me know if this is a crazy notion!

Thanks everyone!

I agree about the infection comment -- the whole point of pickling and alcohol is that they both suppress bacteria which is why they were essentially staples due to the fact they were safe to eat without refrigeration.

I'm not sure what maximum concentration in alcohol would be, but certainly just mixing until no more dissolves would achieve that concentration.

The alcohol is very likely better than water, and is used in some of the studies listed on this thread. We know that alcohol has some effect on its own towards castration, and also will provide some immediate damage (rather than the slower acting CaCl), and should also provide some numbing effect to take the edge off of the initial CaCl pain.

[dvdbll (imported)]

I thought the forum might like to hear another experience with a calcium chloride injection.

I got a 33% solution here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Calcium-Chlorid ... 1001251203. It came just four days after I placed the order.

I have injected everclear alcohol many times. In the latest injections to both nuts, it would burn a little when i injected though that would soon go away, swell a little for about half a day, and be back to normal by the next day. I was having a hard time injecting because they are now lumpy and hard. I could usually inject 1.0 to 1.5 cc. Because of the many alcohol injections, my right nut shrunk from a big one to a small hard lump no bigger than my thumb nail, but the left nut is still about 1 1/2 times the size of my right ball.

On Monday evening I decided to inject my larger left nut with the calcium chloride solution. I used a small 25 gauge needle. From what I've read on here, 33% is potent, so I decided to inject 0.5 cc and do it again if needed.

I thought the salt solution would really burn when i injected, but much to my surprise there was no sensation when I injected into the middle of my left testicle. None. I finished, went to bed, and didn't think much of it. However, I woke up two hours later and it was burning like crazy. It was probably a 7 on a scale of 10. It was sore to the touch but not swollen much. It hurt deep inside the nut. It was much more painful then any previous alcohol injection, and I've done many. I took four (800 mg) of ibuprofen, which eventually helped the pain, but I had a hard time sleeping. Yesterday I took many ibuprofen and it was really sore all day. Today it is swollen significantly and really hurts to the touch. It's about the size of a small egg, much bigger than before I started injections and probably three times the size of what it was Monday. I slept well last night and went to the gym this morning and survived, but it still hurts. Now it's probably a 2 of 10 just sitting here and 6 when I touch it.

I really think I've done the job this time. Let me know if you want to chat privately or want more info or pics. I'll update the forum if anyone wants to hear my progress.

[MissMyra (imported)]

I found some Pickle Crisp (brand name Ball, available at grocery stores and Ace hardware, 100% CaCl2) and bought some Bacardi 151. I mixed in the CaCl2, but the mixture turned out to be quite viscous. I tried to inject it with a 28ga needle, but it just wouldn't work. Frustrated, I dumped it out and mixed the CaCl2 with water, which readily absorbed a ton of the stuff. It also heated up significantly. I tried to inject it, but it wouldn't flow out of the needle.

The next morning, however, much of the CaCl2 had precipitated in the bottom of the bottle. Apparently, the heat caused from the mixing caused the water to absorb more of the CaCl2 than it would absorb at room temperature. When I filled the syringe, it cooled quickly and some CaCl2 precipitated in the syringe, clogging the needle. That night, I injected .5cc in both of them. Unfortunately, much of the liquid intended for the right one squirted out. Last night, I injected about 1.2cc in each -- a small amount leaked out on the right side.

I found that each injection caused some pain to the left of my right hipbone and to the right of my left hipbone. After the .5cc injection, my left hipbone was in moderate pain that night. After the 1.2cc injections last night, there was little pain. It hurts more this morning, but there is still no pain around my right hipbone. The left testicle also burns slightly.

I'll probably inject the right one again in a day or two. I will report back later!

[MissMyra (imported)]

Okay, just noticed something not so good.

There is a large darkish/purplish area on the scrotal skin on my left side. The thin, top layer of skin peels off easily and painlessly, revealing a red layer underneath. It's numb.

I'm going to keep an eye on it and possibly take some antibiotics starting tonight. One of the reports (

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/09/CaCl-1978-Koger-ModVetPractice-report.pdf) stated that skin necrosis and sloughing occurred if some fluid leaked out or if too much was injected -- it reportedly healed "rapidly" and "without infection," so I don't think this is an emergency situation yet. If the red layer starts getting dark...we might have a problem.

Apparently, I need to inject deeper :/

[wishtobe (imported)]

To Brooke TS, welcome to the new club, glad that the doctors didn't catch on,

Now a suggestion to everybody that I did not follow, but after thinking through is logical.

I know that we all want to get rid of our testicles asap however we might be going about it MUCH TOOOOOOOOOO quickly.

Stop and think about the following, what is 1 year or even nine months in your life.

What if we only do 1 testicle, and really do it well, until it has gotten very small.

When I went to my doctor he first thought that it was cancer and put me down for a operation the following day, thinking it was cancer.

after that they did tests trying to find the cause, in the end since the other one was just about dead, he also took it out 2 weeks later, I was luckly, but they still wonder even 2 yrs later what happened.

Now to get back on track.

If I had only done the one, The doctor would still think that it could be cancer and prefer to have it removed, knowing that with only one, all your body functions are still ok, for you to be a normal man, they would still do a test however it would go over much easier with the medical community. In the meantime we can have a better contact with our doctors. They would still prefer to see us again within a year or less for a check-up, and then gues what? Whatever happened to the first one has come back to attack the one remaining one, which ofter happens with a testicle torsion.

The most important thing would be to keep a good contact with your doctor that he understands that you still want to stay a man using either TRT or HRT, even if you have lost your two best friends. This could avoid the problem faced by SOMETHING, or letting the medical community get wind of something going on.

When we stop and think about it 9mnths or even 1 yr is a very short time compared to our life span.

My operation was done 2yrs ago and it only seems still like yesterday.

To all take care and remember,

Patience is a virtue.

[fhunter]

If I had only done the one, The doctor would still think that it could be cancer and prefer to have it removed, knowing that with only one, all your body functions are still ok, for you to be a normal man, they would still do a test however it would go over much easier with the medical community. In the meantime we can have a better contact with our doctors. They would still prefer to see us again within a year or less for a check-up, and then gues what? Whatever happened to the first one has come back to attack the one remaining one, which ofter happens with a testicle torsion.

Going to surgery two times instead of one? Especially if it is not local anesthetic, IMO, is not a good idea.

[BrookeTS (imported)]

Thank you wishtobe, I really am enjoying my new found freedom

Hugs,

Brooke

[BrookeTS (imported)]

Okay, just noticed something not so good.

There is a large darkish/purplish area on the scrotal skin on my left side. The thin, top layer of skin peels off easily and painlessly, revealing a red layer underneath. It's numb.

I'm going to keep an eye on it and possibly take some antibiotics starting tonight. One of the reports (

http:

//www.stray-afp.org/nl/wp-content/uploads/201

2

/09/CaCl-1978-Koger-ModVetPractice-report.pdf) stated that skin necrosis and sloughing occurred if some fluid leaked out or if too much was injected -- it reportedly healed "rapidly" and "without

infection," so I don't think this is an emergency situation yet. If the red layer starts getting dark...we might have a problem.

Apparently, I need to inject deeper :/

Miss Myra,

The solution (CaCl = food grade or better) should flow easily using a 25g syringe (or less) and if not then you probably need to reconsider your approach. The necrosis is almost certainly the result of CACL leaking into the scrotum and (as you have unfortunately discovered) can lead to some rather nasty complications. I wish you all the best

Hugs,

Brooke

[MissMyra (imported)]

Thanks Brooke!

Fortunately, the area that turned nearly black is now dark red, so it's getting better. The skin is definitely inflamed, so I've been taking aspirin and ibuprofen, which helps keep the pain down. The area where the epidermis came off a bit oozy, but as long as blood is flowing and it doesn't become infected, it should heal up.

The left testicle is incredibly sensitive when touched, so I'm hoping it's going to be dead in a few weeks. Once I've healed up a bit, the right one's getting another dose.