Calcium Chloride and Other Salt Injections for Castration

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knightbird111 (imported) wrote: Fri Nov 23, 2012 11:04 am Your saying this stuff is more pure than vodka. I am very interested in giving this a spin. Not really sure what's the right version of this stuff to purchase.

Actually, I'm saying research it and make your own judgement. I personally may take some risks that others wouldn't take, but in other areas I'm more cautious. For example, I would never skydive or mountain climb, I never gamble or even invest in stocks, but on the other hand I don't worry much about bad guys (like I don't usually lock doors to my house).

So please read up about the chemicals, about biology, about sterilization and infection, about castration, and then look at your own physiology and personality, then decide.

I personally think that someone who is already damaging their testicles and injecting things is probably the type that would also accept risk and try this method. But if you've never really attempted castration before, or if your desire is not overwhelming, you probably won't try this.

By the way, one other point is that with most of the do-it-yourself methods of castration you should assume that there is a high chance that at some point you will need proper medical attention to finish the job. Perhaps the best we can hope for is to do enough damage to cause doctors to find that surgical castration is a necessity. So don't do any of this unless you have good health insurance, and that you're aren't too embarrassed to check into emergency if things go wrong.

Lastly, anyone trying do-it-yourself should seriously answer why they don't go to Dr. Arnkoff instead. While it is true that there is some cost to using him, people spend that kind of money regularly on a new television or computer. So you should really think through why you are going through do-it-yourself when there is now (for the first time in a long time) a credible qualified doctor alternative.
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Trouble is, after so many ethanol injections, sometimes my testicles wont take the full volume, and i feel some of the alcohol suddenly going back up into my belly. If the calcium chloride backed up into my belly, i sure wouldnt want necrosed kidneys or something. But i've taken risks for stupid causes in the past, so i'm sure i can take a risk for a noble cause.
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lust-ocd (imported) wrote: Fri Nov 23, 2012 4:04 pm Trouble is, after so many ethanol injections, sometimes my testicles wont take the full volume, and i feel some of the alcohol suddenly going back up into my belly. If the calcium chloride backed up into my belly, i sure wouldnt want necrosed kidneys or something. But i've taken risks for stupid causes in the past, so i'm sure i can take a risk for a noble cause.

Start small. The veterinary papers indicate that the effect scales with amount and concentration. So except the hassle of going through the process and swelling period twice, you can reduce the severity of adverse reaction with an initial test amount.
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lust-ocd (imported) wrote: Fri Nov 23, 2012 4:04 pm Trouble is, after so many ethanol injections, sometimes my testicles wont take the full volume, and i feel some of the alcohol suddenly going back up into my belly. If the calcium chloride backed up into my belly, i sure wouldnt want necrosed kidneys or something. But i've taken risks for stupid causes in the past, so i'm sure i can take a risk for a noble cause.

i don't see the point of doing calcium chloride if the ethanol worked.

They won't take full volume probably because the leydig cells are now scar tissue which won't accept any liquid.

The ethanol would then either squirt out of the needle hole when you remove the needle, into your scrotum, causing lots of pain, or depending on where you injected it, maybe up the cords into the internal part of body. I too would not want calcium chloride backing up into my inner body.
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nullorchis (imported) wrote: Fri Nov 23, 2012 7:25 pm i don't see the point of doing calcium chloride if the ethanol worked.

They won't take full volume probably because the leydig cells are now scar tissue which won't accept any liquid.

The ethanol would then either squirt out of the needle hole when you remove the needle, into your scrotum, causing lots of pain, or depending on where you injected it, maybe up the cords into the internal part of body. I too would not want calcium chloride backing up into my inner body.

The problem is that the ethanol isn't really working for people. With ethanol, it is a cycle of damage and then your body trying to repair it. It causes scarring, and ultimately can do a lot of damage, but most people are still having testosterone after dozens of injections and the results reverse themselves somewhat over time.

The main "success" with ethanol is that two or three people have afterwards gone to doctors who decided to remove them due to the "mysterious" damage. However, in most of these cases the surgery was more complicated because the ethanol had caused the testicles to fuse to the inside of the scrotum (see hoosierdad's recent account on the Dr. Arnkoff thread).

But certainly, if the testicles are scarred and damaged one needs to gauge whether the calcium chloride is worthwhile or can be done successfully.

Note again that the way the calcium chloride works isn't by damaging, but rather by preventing cell regeneration. Whereas with the ethanol it is just doing repeated cycle of damage and repair.

Some of the veterinary studies actually combined the two. That might make sense because then the damage from the ethanol would not be repaired.

Again, proceed according to the situation. But my main point is that ethanol injections have NOT been directly effective for anyone, and mostly have caused hassle and complications.

The thing with alcohol is that it isn't very effective at damaging multi-celled creatures, while very effective against single-celled creatures. This is why you can wipe it on your skin and kill 99% of the bacteria but not create any cell death (except through possibly drying the skin a bit). The toxicity is markedly different for the bacteria versus the human flesh. Furthermore, alcohol can actually be metabolized to some extent (i.e. we can tolerate blood alcohol, and only after years of chronic drinking get some liver damage).

Anyway, the reason why I'm emphasizing this isn't because I really want people to do calcium chloride, but to point out that it is the only method with a lot of documentation related to being effective for castration, simple, relatively painless, and relatively safe. If ethanol was effective for castration, I'm pretty sure it would already be a common method for vets and farmers. Of all possible methods for single-shot permanent castration, calcium chloride is the only thing being practiced. Neutersol (and other brands of zinc compounds) doesn't reduce testosterone, and immunocastration isn't permanent (but is effective long enough for slaughter animals).

It is really good if people don't do any self castration. But if you're going to do it, this is the only method with signficant evidence to meet all the desirable criteria. It's fine to criticize doing any do-it-yourself method, but I really think people are fooling themselves by continuing with the ethanol injections.
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Autoclave sterilization is mentioned as being the way to sterilize.

But not easy to do that.

Also the studies document sperm, not testosterone.

Behavior is noted as being changed, so reduction of testosterone may be the likely cause.

See the updates and corrections document on this page:
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Most assuredly, if calcium chloride works with one treatment, and less pain, it sounds like I would have used it before doing alcohol injections.

But, alas, just now learning of this process.

Better living through the EA.

I had been doing booster ethanol shots periodically.

But it is a drag injecting a needle again and again.

Might just look into the composition and dose of calcium chloride and consider doing it to achieve lasting results.

Thanks to all for their insights and information.

Each person needs to choose what is right for them and not be duly influenced by the information, comments, and urgings of others.

There are many types of methods to achieve various types of body and behavior modification.

Choose wisely, be safe, avoid harming yourself, and harm no one else or the environment.

If one makes a decision to proceed, take pause, sleep on it for awhile, and think again.

This is a process that may not be safe in spite of maximum preparation and precautions.

It can not be undone. Have no regrets.
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Nullorchis, but they didnt work. 3 vodka injections (80% proof), and 20 moonshine injections (180% proof), and my testicles were hard and lumpy. Had my testosterone level checked, and it was completely normal. i injected 1.5cc a time. So injections were a total fail for me, and also for Hoosierdad on this forum (i think Hooierdad said that he did 30 injections and got nowhere).

Not to mention i had a medical emergency from injecting alcohol. My testicle was still bruised, yet i was stupid enough to inject the very next day. Probably the worst physical pain of my life, and i think my testical ruptured. i knew it was a medical emergency, but i couldnt get help, because i knew they would have locked me up for self-harm. So i

just lay in bed for days in the worst agony. My testicle must have been the size of a grapefruit. So now i've learnt why everyone says to wait at least a week before injecting again.
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Lust-ocd, what exactly did you do to cause that major pain?? Did you like inject 12cc in one sitting?

I put in a lot of cc this month. I am going to hold off for a good month.
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lust-ocd, maybe you can post your experiences over on the alcohol injection thread.

Anyone who may be interested in that method needs to know everyone's good and bad results.

So I did a little more research on calcium chloride.

Some studies used a lidocaine solution for numbing, other studies use consumable ethanol; after 1 year results were excellent with ethanol, less successful with lidocaine.

Seems like a 20% solution was used to effectively destroy cat testes in the 2011 study I read. The 10% solution was less effective.

.25ml was used but then cat testes are small.

Care was taken to avoid external cords etc. of testes, and a 27mm one half inch needle was injected longitudinally into the testicle.

As the needle was withdrawn then the solution was slowly injected so that it would be dispersed as much as possible through the length of the testicle.

Care was taken to ensure that fluid did not seep out of the injection site when the needle was removed. (no description of how; probably just pressure)

Normally a 10% liquid solution can be purchased for medical purposes .

Odd that something that is used to de ice sidewalks can be injected into the human body,, but it is done medically.

There are some warnings and precautions. Maybe this has been posted earlier; it gets time consuming reading lots of old posts to avoid re posting.

But reposting can't hurt in this case I guess.

Here is some addl info.:

Calcium chloride is a versatile chemical used widely in both medical and industrial settings. In the medical industry in particular, calcium chloride is a medication used to help treat several disorders, including hypocalcemia and magnesium toxicity.

Identification

Calcium chloride is a white, odorless and water-soluble medication with an array of uses. Drugs.com defines calcium chloride as a sterile, nonpyrogenic and hypertonic solution with a pH of 6.3. Calcium chloride must be stored in a controlled room temperature of 15 to 30 degrees C. It is available in a pellet form for Industrial uses or a liquid for medical uses.

Uses

Calcium and chloride are both naturally occurring elements of the body and are needed for the maintenance and balance of important bodily functions. In the medical industry, calcium chloride is used most for the treatment of hypocalcemia, or low blood calcium levels, according to Rxmed.com. It can also be used as secondary therapy for many conditions such as spider bites, magnesium overdose and intoxication, and lead colic. The Nemours Foundation reports that calcium chloride promotes cardiovascular health because it protects the heart from intoxication of potassium or certain heart medications. In industrial applications, solid calcium chloride is used as a "de-icer" because it has the ability to melt large volumes of snow and ice in roads and sidewalks.

Medical Dosage

A 10-percent calcium chloride solution is administered through intravenous injection in a central vein, according to Drugs.com. Adults diagnosed with hypocalcemia are given calcium chloride doses of 200 mg to 1 g at one- to three-day intervals. A smaller dose of 2.7 to 5.0 mg per kilogram of body weight is administered to pediatrics suffering from hypocalcemia. A typical 10 ml syringe solution of 10 percent calcium chloride is composed of 1 g of calcium chloride or 270 mg of elemental calcium. An initial calcium chloride dose of 500 mg is administered for patients suffering from magnesium toxicity.

Precautions & Warnings

Rxmeds.com reports that calcium chloride must be administered intravenously only and not directly into tissues or muscles. Calcium chloride injections should be performed through a small needle. Large veins are recommended sites for injection to prevent rapid increase of blood calcium levels, which can be harmful to the heart. Slow calcium chloride injection also prevents complications such as vasodilation, decreased blood pressure and cardiac arrest. High vitamin D intake or supplements must be avoided while taking calcium chloride unless advised by your physician. Other drugs interactions include cardiac glycosides and tetracycline antibiotics and they should be avoided during calcium chloride therapy. Calcium chloride is not recommended for use by women who are pregnant or nursing because not enough safety studies have been conducted.

Side Effects

Calcium chloride injections may cause certain complications such as skin flushing, nausea, vomiting, and hypotension. A local burning sensation is reported with injection use. Rapid release of calcium chloride through IV is associated with vasomotor collapse among patients.

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What I've taken from this thread is rather eye-opening. A lot more research is needed though.

My opinion only, but I don't understand why some posters seem overly concerned with 'sterility', when Calcium Chloride is a sterilizing agent, and the testicles are on the outside of the body. If injected properly, there should be no problems other than what is stated/expected. Other agents of injections have been lauded on this site.

Mix calcium chloride with water and the temperature rises 5x's. Thus killing added bacteriums. Hardly anything can live in pure salt or salt compounds.

There are several types of Calcium Chloride to consider. Road salts (cheapest to acquire) are fairly pure, but can have aluminum ions without regulation; because of labeled intention of the distribution of the product. Aluminum is toxic when ingested or injected in large doses. But, did you know you ingest aluminum each time you cook or bake with aluminum pans & pots? You also acquire aluminum with many under arm deodorants too.

I am very familiar with calcium chloride skin burns, having worked for public works many years, spreading frozen roads. Even wearing gloves, you can still get chaffed fingers. Don't breath the dust when shoveling it into buckets either!

A chemistry set compound will (should) be pure, as Split Dick stated eariler. Cheese-making suppliers sell a 20-35% liquid (http://www.cheesemaking.com/CalciumChloride.html), typically in 2 oz bottles.

You can make your own.

Equal measures of water-to-chemical is about 35-40%, depending upon how meticulous you are. OR, 4.5 lbs of chemical to 1 gallon of water.

Here's a formula; if you want smaller batches, do the extended math.

Since one gallon of water will make a solution that's 35 percent by weight, and one gallon weighs 8.33 pounds; you would use 8.33 as your z-value and 0.35 as your y-value to obtain (0.35)(8.33) = (1 - 0.35)x. Then, you can solve for x:

2.92 = 0.65x

(2.92 / 0.65) = (0.65 / 0.65)x

4.49 = 1x

x = 4.49

So, you would need 4.49 (4.5) pounds of calcium chloride pellets to each gallon of water for a 35% solution.

Gallon of water is 128 oz.

Half gallon, use 2.25 (2 1/4) pounds.

Quart, use 1.125 (1 1/8) pounds.

1 pint is 16 oz, so use 1/2 lb or 8 oz chemical.

Half-pint (8 oz) use 4 oz of chemical by weight.

You will find that equal measures are 'about' correct (cup-of-this, cup-of that); but still use a good scale, because this formula is by weight, not measure.

We did this every winter for bridge de-icing, as pure rock salt damages bridge surfaces and supports.

If you want 'sterile' water, boil it for 30 minutes, and use boiled jars or glass veils to store the solution. Be sure to boil lids also. Simple canning operation on the stove. You can boil the opened mixed solution, but you will increase the Calcium Chloride solution strength each time you do so; as you loose water through evaporation, and the minerals compound.

From what I understand from my reading, the 'hardening' feeling of the damaged testicles is the cauterized interior of the testicle. Sort-of like when you have a scab from a cut on your arm. I know from experience that Calcium chloride will burn tisues on contact. As the cauterized tissue degenerates (absorbs), the testicle will shrink; I gather sort-of like how an exterior scab will slowly form and disappear.

When injecting, the needle needs to be placed at the end (bottom) of the testicle, inserted into the central interior, slowly releasing the solution gradually. Draw back on the syringe, to make sure you are not injecting directly into a vein.

The back of the human testicle is where the vas deferens occur (squiggly tubes hanging off back and wrap upward toward your groin). If you inject the vas deferens, they will cauterize, and probably be painful (that's where most of your nerves are).

I have found no written evidence of 'creeping necrosis', as warned, or feared by prior postings. Yes, from experience, if accidental ingestion or injection occurs in areas not wanted, like your arm, leg, stomach or face; sure, guaranteed. I know a few guys who had their nostrils burnt off, just from vapors, and dust exposure. A sort-of "creeping necrosis" has to be medically attended to, because of the way calcium salts work in the body. Cell-to-cell progression.

Reading about injections on adult goats (
). It says 20-40 mg will do the trick. I raise goats. Ram testicles are a lot bigger than mine! Nowhere in any article I have read so far, states that the testicles need to be cordoned off (banded). Each video has balls held and stuck, then release the animal. Quick. "No muss, no fuss." I will try this on a kid or two next srping. We typically use bands. I want to watch how the individual grows, and behaves. I already know about banded kids.

I'm trying to score a copy of; Koger, Nov 1977, "Calcium Chloride, Practical Necrotizing Agent", Journal of the American Association of Bovine Practitioners (USA), (Nov 1977), v. 12, p. 118-119. Anyone read it, please post findings.

But; one must remember . . . this is not 'total' castration. It is total 'sterilization'. The male can still produce testosterone, although at a markedly reduced, permanent ability. All articles I have read indicate male pattern aggression, physique, and abilities still hang around to various degrees after injections of many individuals. This method of castration, or population control is especially sought after in owners of 'attack' or trained guard dogs. They don't want them being pre-occupied by bitches in heat, but they still want the dog to do the job he was trained to do. Beef cattle growers like some testosterone left for growth ability. More meat on the rack.

I read an article last week about calcium chloride experiments on soldiers in India. Can't find it now. If anyone knows a link. I want a copy please. They surely have different attitudes in India when it comes to protecting the family jewels! Everyone in the USA thinks a man MUST keep them until he's dust! Some provinces in India are giving away cars and other expensive items in exchange for a mans ability to procreate!

Literature links;
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15721661

http://www.cheesemaking.com/Ca
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lciumChloride.html

http://www.parsemusfoundation.org/Parse ... .2.119.pdf

http://technorati.com/women/article/rad ... l-for-men/

http://jezebel.com/5808284/the-male-bir ... king-about

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news ... -vasectomy Interesting reading. Change attitudes "over there", maybe some of it will rub off "over here"; since a lot of medical professionals "over here", come from "over there".

http://malecontraceptives.org/methods/c ... ibitor.php Posted earlier, and again, because I thought the idea was SUCH an intriguing website!

http://malecontraceptives.org/myths.php

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutering# ... tration.29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vas_deferens

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Illu_repdt_male.jpg (photo)

http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/s ... 10043-52-4
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