Calcium Chloride and Other Salt Injections for Castration

[tjstill (imported)]

I am a little confused on a fairly major point on this technique. I do not know how the CaCl works. I have read the article on dog neutering using zinc salts, this has been around a long time. From what I have read the idea to inject CaCl came originaly from this. The zinc salts in dogs kills off the sperm within the testicle it also stops further sperm production, the tubes wherein this occurs clog up and collaspe with scar tissue formation. The key issue is that the testical still functions to make testosterone. the endocine production is unaffected.

It is not clear to me what the CaCl does exactly. Is it the same mode of operation as the zinc salts? Does it only produce sterility and not eunuchoid characteristics? There seems to have been a very quick take up of people trying this or considering it. I am not sure that even if it works it will produce the eunuchoid characterisitics that many people may hope for. Does anyone have a clear understaning of how it works and what it is doing when injected. Or have I missed a link somewhere that I should read. Thanks

[SplitDik (imported)]

I am a little confused on a fairly major point on this technique. I do not know how the CaCl works. I have read the article on dog neutering using zinc salts, this has been around a long time. From what I have read the idea to inject CaCl came originaly from this. The zinc salts in dogs kills off the sperm within the testicle it also stops further sperm production, the tubes wherein this occurs clog up and collaspe with scar tissue formation. The key issue is that the testical still functions to make testosterone. the endocine production is unaffected.

It is not clear to me what the CaCl does exactly. Is it the same mode of operation as the zinc salts? Does it only produce sterility and not eunuchoid characteristics? There seems to have been a very quick take up of people trying this or considering it. I am not sure that even if it works it will produce the eunuchoid characterisitics that many people may hope for. Does anyone have a clear understaning of how it works and what it is doing when injected. Or have I missed a link somewhere that I should read. Thanks

A couple of the papers go into the theory of how it works. Read them again, but what I got from it was that the calcium chloride does not immediately do any damage, rather out disrupts further cell regeneration by causing programmed cell death--this happens when cells try to regenerate unsuccessfully and get DNA fragmentation, the body tells the cell to die. Then once enough testosterone producing cells are gone a cascade happens where other structures on the testicle that require testosterone also shrink.

This is very different than alcohol that simply does some initial damage then is metabolized and the body then is free to repair the damage. Instead the calcium chloride doesn't do much damage, but it persists in the testicle and prevents cellular repair.

Anyway search for the mention of programmed cell death among the papers.

[Something (imported)]

The reports indicate likely tenderness for the first three days. I'm sure that will feel like a long time, but sounds like you're already on day 2. The thing with pain levels is that different people experience it differently. As a person who regularly pays women to step on his testicles, for me tenderness isn't even what I would call pain, however, I understand that you don't generally relish such sensations so hang in there.

The main thing overall with this method is patience. Whatever you do, don't inject more (or anything else) until you've gone past at least the six week mark to determine if this actually worked for you. If you review the video with the dogs, the testicles were still apparent on day 15 and things like testosterone drop and small testicles were only notices after week four. It looks like experimentally they held off until either 45 or even 60 days for comparing the permanent results.

How do you feel mentally? Does it feel good knowing that you might be acheiving your goal? Or do you regret it already? Or do you just feel weird? In the end, assuming that physically you're safe the real goal of castration ultimately is some mental peace, so I hope this leads there for you. Keep us posted.

Honestly, I feel a bit weird. I don't regret it (well, part of me did when the pain was that bad, but not anymore). They've... inflated, and if I touch them, it hurts quite badly. They're also erm... heavier? lol, sorry I'm not used to talking about the three things which shouldn't have existed in the first place... at least not in the form they're in now! I notice them when I'm walking (though it doesn't hurt unless I'm going particularly fast), which is unusual for me because normally I just push them up and tape them (all three of them) up there... I'm not living as female yet, but it makes me feel more comfortable that way. Hopefully the pain when I touch them will subside soon, and they'll shrink again, so I can do that again.

But yeah, like I said, it feels weird. Knowing that I've done something like this... even if it doesn't work in the end, it's just... strange knowing I've done it. Good strange though

[lust-ocd (imported)]

ok i'm going to try this. i've just got to wait for the bottle to be delivered now. Hey, we might be the pioneering ginea pigs, giving hope to future wannabe eunuchs! It will be so wonderful if this works. So many people tormented by lust will have an even easier and more effective method than alcohol injections.

[SplitDik (imported)]

ok i'm going to try this. i've just got to wait for the bottle to be delivered now. Hey, we might be the pioneering ginea pigs, giving hope to future wannabe eunuchs! It will be so wonderful if this works. So many people tormented by lust will have an even easier and more effective method than alcohol injections.

Yeah, this is really the spirit of why I'm posting this info. For years there was little option to achieve castration, with only Dr. Spector haphazardly helping some people and causing trouble for others. With advent of Dr. Arnkoff, that is now the best solution, but still presents some challenges in cost and location for some.

Since the alcohol injection thread seemed to get dozens of people to try alcohol, it seemed really promising, but over the past several months I realized that it really wasn't working -- lots of people talking about injecting many, many times with an uncertain conclusion and then others indicating that surgical castration after alcohol injection was creating complications. If alcohol injection worked definitively, I'm pretty sure that it would be in wide veterinary use already. So I started researching again and re-discovered this method which had had new veterinary trials since the last time we had discussed it here.

I don't want anyone to be hurt, so I'm hoping that this works or at worst doesn't work but without harm. There really is still a need for a simple, definitive, safe, cheap, accessible method. Hope this is it.

[lust-ocd (imported)]

Honoured to be a guinea pig for such a noble cause

[Something (imported)]

Just noticed something... ignoring the skin, they're completely numb. About twice the size of usual... I think... Well, completely numb... except pain (-sigh- xD). If I push on them with almost any force (lightly touching is fine), they hurt a lot. Uhmm... quite honestly, I don't know if this is a good sign or not, but hopefully it is...

[SplitDik (imported)]

Just noticed something... ignoring the skin, they're completely numb. About twice the size of usual... I think... Well, completely numb... except pain (-sigh- xD). If I push on them with almost any force (lightly touching is fine), they hurt a lot. Uhmm... quite honestly, I don't know if this is a good sign or not, but hopefully it is...

If you noticed the comments I posted from the other guy who injected recently, he said something similar -- they basically have no pain, or even "numb" when just hanging there, but they get to pain faster if actually manipulated. It is not a regular tenderness (i.e. small touch doesn't hurt) but they are tender in a different way. So seems like you're experiencing the same thing.

[SplitDik (imported)]

Also, how are you feeling mentally and emotionally? Relieved? Regret? Weird?

[SilviaCor (imported)]

Hi, it's vey interesting this post, but i have searched some info about this and i have read the follow: WARNINGS

10% Calcium Chloride Injection, USP is irritating to veins and must not be injected into tissues,

since severe necrosis and sloughing may occur. Great care should be taken to avoid extravasation

or accidental injection into perivascular tissues.

Perhaps is more dangerous than the ethyl alcohol injections. This is only a 10% and is not enough to do the castration, but the warning say about necrosis in the tissue and that is not good. I don't want to scary to people because i recognise i don't know nothing about this theme, but i wonder if is not a too high risk proccess, more than the ethyl alcohol.

But the idea of do only one injection to both testicles and wait for around a month to be an eunuch would be wonderful.