natural gas to gasoline...dump the ethanol...the first plant to be built

[sduyck_2000 (imported)]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLFPNasQrs0&feature=plcp

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_to_liquids

http://blogs.cfr.org/levi/2012/08/27/ho ... s-exports/

its time we get started on this and end the need for opec oil...and the need for corn based ethanol

just think of a plant next to a group of gas turbines generating electricity...as the gas is burned the heat is used to generate steam and produce more electricity and the carbon dioxide out the stack is captured to combine with natural gas to make gasoline

[Paolo]

Not gonna happen.

That makes TOO much sense.

[Dave (imported)]

It will be the "first of its kind" plant and that is notoriously expensive to build and operate.

The JEA Unit 2 in Florida was partially funded by DOE and the reason why was that it was the first commercial operation of a Fluidized Bed Combuster and those two huge storage domes and PET Coke and all the conveying system involved to keep the PET Coke from being blown around the landscape. DOE paid 75 Million (1/4 of Unit 2, none of Unit 1) to get the rights to the operating manual for the fluidized bed and be able to relate to others what could go wrong (lose the bed, lose the fire, something cokes up, jackhammer the crap out of the combuster, how to start the thing from cold to blazing hot, maintenance schedules, stuff like that)

the larger the plant (And power generating stations are huge monsters) the harder it is to start up and shut down. The first time is a good guess and usually discovers all the design flaws. To fix all that is money, money, money. That's why DOE gave 1/4 of the cost of building and starting Unit 2. It's called "risk" and when they talk about a risky investment, that's what they mean. Sorry if that seems talkative.

Here's a Wiki chapter - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JEA_Norths ... ng_Station

DOE's final topical report - https://docs.google.com/a/fragments.ws/ ... %2520Repor t%2520Rev%25201.pdf+&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESg5wvXx7LLbMDd-OL-RQqFCWnt9AMwRnZO4mj1xhfxo5AUEZuZRjSJomn5jswoTrLxbw yX6ALfVu_yE30N2ci7Ud4QoaqopAvFd90ntz7sCQBgxXF3PtC2 ZJQ-AvC3AFwVph15E&sig=AHIEtbSOQxhxUZyVP99OVPDxVI10xs8qWQ

A Foster Wheeler report (construction company)

https://docs.google.com/a/fragments.ws/ ... ymonf7lK9s HlzK46gv6khjT5FMsaWcYUOnn_oLG49zR28NAaQ-4Psk2MgOAxq89yeX3opfWjJf_w4NBPh1SNrvXitHf6WsTMWNTI kaDx3r&sig=AHIEtbQzECdbGmaJ77NsehjzsSODbVydoQ

[Sweetpickle (imported)]

CH4 + O2 -> zoom zoom

A lot cheaper.

It's like "clean" coal.

[Dave (imported)]

BTW the process sdyuck_2000 is talking about is properly called The Fischer-Tropsch Process.

It is already commercial in SASOL South Africa. I met some of the researchers from SASOL like about 2 decades ago.

It was developed in Germany before WW2. You can look up SASOL and Fischer-Tropsch.

The gasoline it produces is expensive compared to Natural Gas and petroleum based gasoline.

And the off-spec products are unusual, not moor fuels more like waxes and lube oils.

[moi621 (imported)]

It is all a conspiracy by the Oil companies to keep us on a

liquid fuel diet.



The system that can burn Methane could also most likely function on Hydrogen, available via solar electrolysis.

Getting off liquid fuels would lessen dependence on 'you know who'.

Moi

I want a 4WD Ford Expedition with their Dual Fuel system now available in the F-250.